Jerett, jollykj, and me to design Pirate Duel Decks

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Sat, 2012-08-11 11:20
sommbsnph

Rarities for Ajani VS Nicol Bolas as Baseline as those are usual rarities:

Ajani:

31 Common & Basic Lands
23 Uncommon
5 Rare
1 Mythic

:VS:

Nicol Bolas:

37 Common & Basic Lands
17 Uncommon
5 Rare
1 Mythic

We will vote on what Colors get to go in!

Currently:

Blue: 1 Vote
Red: 0 Vote
Black: 1 Vote
Green: 0 Vote
White: 0 Vote

Anyone on the team can vote to add colors and any color with 2 or more votes will become part of the deck.

Mechanics: I think we should use some sort of Faerie and Boggart Rouge Pirates with Prowl and some activaters.

Auntie's Snitch
Latchkey Faerie
Nightshade Stinger
Bitterblossom
Stinkdrinker Bandit
Surveiling Sprite

And stuff like that.

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Sat, 2012-08-11 11:28
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I don't see pirats in green and white, but pirates fit vary well with red and blue, because of the steeling.
Well i would like to see Clash in this side of the duel deck, the random seems pirate, do they hit with a bullet, do they find a treasure.

so my vote on colors is red and blue.

Sat, 2012-08-11 11:35
sommbsnph

Cureently:

Clash: Jeret Dicides
Prowl: Jeret Decides
Blue: In
Black: Jeret Decides
Red: Jeret Decides
White: out
Green: out

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Sat, 2012-08-11 16:32
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@sommbsnph: i do think if Jerett have some other colors or abilities that he should whrite them and agure why we should choose them.

i do think prowl is a bad ideer since this side of the duel deck should be aginst Ninjas wich is deffently going to use ninjitsu.

Sat, 2012-08-11 22:47
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Since it's a given that Ninjas are blue/black, I too think Pirates should be Blue/Red.

I'm fine with putting Clash in.

Flavor idea: What if the mythic is a pirate ship?

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Sun, 2012-08-12 01:19
sommbsnph

I see the Ninja's using Taijitsu instead of Ninjitsu which is the exact same thing evcept for Taijitsu wants creatures blocked while Ninjitsu want no blockers.

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Sun, 2012-08-12 01:20
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(You're not supposed to be looking at the other team's thread.)

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Sun, 2012-08-12 01:22
sommbsnph

Huh, it was not in the rules that you could not look at the other teams thread?

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Sun, 2012-08-12 01:29
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Hm, I guess it wasn't necessarily a rule. But it's still bad form, especially since the post said:

"I kindly ask the members of our archenemy not to read any further."

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Sun, 2012-08-12 20:51
jolykj
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Something cool name. 3 mana symbolBlue mana symbolRed mana symbol
Legendary Artifat Creature - Human Pirat Ship M Mana for MTG Extra
(islandwalk or other keyword ability)
Whenever [name] attacks chose up to two target creatures, then clash for each creature with that creatures controler. If you win the clash, that creature attacks with you this turn and is a Pirat in adition to its other types until end of turn, otherwise tap it.
3/5

Sun, 2012-08-12 02:11
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@Inanimate: i haven't read the Ninja side but it is vary clear that the ninjas is going to be blue black, since they have alvays been black blue, just look at the new planecheser.

Sun, 2012-08-12 03:07
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Because both I and the thread are new, things might be a bit rocky. Inanimate, thanks for moderating.

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Sun, 2012-08-12 03:10
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I was talking about how he spoiled Taijitsu for you guys.

And no problem, I am going to be helping to judge this, after all.

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Sun, 2012-08-12 03:18
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Yeah, I kind of assumed people wouldnt look so I didnt post a rule.

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Sun, 2012-08-12 03:19
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Might I suggest using the PM system?

Sun, 2012-08-12 03:28
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some reprint suggestions:
Moonring Island (Clash enabler)
Expidition Map (treasure map flavor)
Explorer Scope (both)

possible rare reprints: Costal Piracy & Commandeer.

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Sun, 2012-08-12 10:52
sommbsnph

JeReT has not confirmed if we were using BU Prowl or UR Clash

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Sun, 2012-08-12 12:40
jolykj
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All three are great reprints there is Research the Deep but i think it should be common if reprintet.
Does anyone have an ideer for a new keyword? i think it could be cool if we have a new one worded keyword like undying, infect, amplify or other not so wide spread abilities, since clash could do anything.

Sun, 2012-08-12 13:01
JeReT
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sorry for beeing late...

okay. I also would say: no forest and no plains for pirates. Blue Fits well because of the setting. Black only fits good because of the symbol Winking smiley So I would also prefer red (red + blue is steeling as mentioned before).

I think Prawl is a nice ability... but pirates love to gamble. So I am for Clash.

That's my vote... ideas for cards will follow A happy smile

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Sun, 2012-08-12 13:04
sommbsnph

Red does not Steal. Pirates Steal.

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Sun, 2012-08-12 13:30
JeReT
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yes, pirates and Dominus of Fealty steal... Winking smiley

however, here an idea for a card:

Lookout 2 mana symbolBlue mana symbol
Creature - Human Pirate Colorless mana symbol
Tap symbol: Look at the top card of your library. If it is a land card, you may reveal it and put it into your hand.
Land was created to provide a place for boats to visit.
1/2

I let the land put into the hand because the hand feels more like a map... on the battlefield are the lands which has been "visited" by the pirates.

EDIT: I added the rarity. I am not sure, if it is common or uncommon... but i think common is okay for what it does.

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Sun, 2012-08-12 13:44
sommbsnph

Red Borrows but never steals.

Chaos Tome 2 mana symbol
Artifact Colorless mana symbol
Tap symbol: Scry 1

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Sun, 2012-08-12 23:08
jolykj
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All cards are ideers. i think all should make some cards for ideers.

[name] 1 mana symbolBlue mana symbolRed mana symbol
Creature - [something] Pirate Blue mana symbol
[something]
Other Pirates you control gets +1/+1 and [something]
Whenever [name] attacks, you may pay Blue/red mana symbol and chose target creature. If you do clash with that creatrues controler. If you win [name] deals 2 damage to that creature.
2/2

[treasure] 3 mana symbol (Blue mana symbolRed mana symbol)
Artifact Red mana symbol
At the beginning of your upkeep or whenever a creature you control deals combat damage to an opponent, put a treasure counter on [treasure].
1 mana symbol, Remove a treasure counter from [treasure]: you gain 1 life.
1 mana symbol, Remove two treasure counter from [treasure]: Draw a card.
1 mana symbol, Remove X treasure counter from [treasure]: Add X mana symbol mana to your mana pool.

Seacaptains Parrot 1 mana symbolBlue mana symbol
Creature - Bird Pirat Colorless mana symbol
Flying
Tap symbol: Look at the top card of target player's library.
1/2

[pirat] Red mana symbol
Crature - [something] Pirat Colorless mana symbol
At the beginning of your upkeep tap target permanent you control.
"Give me something i don't work for free!"
2/1

[Something cool name] 3 mana symbolBlue mana symbolRed mana symbol
Legendary Artifat Creature - [Something] Pirat Ship M Mana for MTG Extra
(islandwalk or other keyword ability)
Whenever [name] attacks chose up to two target creatures, then clash for each creature with that creatures controler. If you win the clash, that creature attacks with you this turn and is a Pirat in adition to its other types until end of turn, otherwise tap it.
3/5

Sun, 2012-08-12 14:34
JeReT
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ok, you won Winking smiley

Quest for the Treasure 1 mana symbolBlue mana symbol
Enchantment Blue mana symbol
Landfall - Whenever a land enters the battlefield under your control, put a quest counter on ~.
Remove X Quest counters from ~ and sacrifice it: search target players library for an artifact card with converted mana costs X or less. Reveal it and put it onto the battlefield under your control. Then the owner of the artifact shuffles his or her library.
"Arrr, not all treasures look the same." - Captain [insert name]

Edit: @jolykj: You created a treasure with an infinite amount of stuff... don't you think it would be better to have a limited amount of counters?

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Sun, 2012-08-12 14:41
DJ Indigo
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I learned this through one of the contests, generally, playes dont search their opponents decks. I would instead suggest gaining control of an artifact an opponent controls. Also, have you guys devised any way to keep track of all your cards besides the forums?

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Sun, 2012-08-12 14:54
JeReT
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Normally not, but there are cards doing this. Like Acquire.

How I approached the card:
Landfall: Pirates are sailing the sea and look out for land. The more lands you have, the better is your map... and when you have enough lands you have found the "treasure island"...

A treasure can be placed by anybody and is normally under the ground. So the player has to "dig". A treasure is normally very old so it is not in a graveyard but in the library from the one who placed the treasure in the story.
This might be an opponent... but it is okay for me to make the card a tutor for artifacts of your own deck.

Any other opinions on this?

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Sun, 2012-08-12 14:55
sommbsnph

Landfall is a good Mechanic Theme.

Also I still do not think Pirates should actually be a Creature type

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Sun, 2012-08-12 15:21
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Pirates are an official creature type though.

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Sun, 2012-08-12 15:35
JeReT
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@sommbsnph: Pirate is an already existing creature type (class) in magic. For example this one would fit well into our set: Kukemssa Pirates.
Also MSE has Pirate as a predefined class.
So Pirate should be a creature type IMO.

I thought a bit... maybe our own keword can be something like "capture X mana symbol". Just an idea we could work on: creatures can have this ability which means something like: "when this creature becomes blocked by target creature, you may pay the capture costs. If you do, gain control of that creature until the beginning of the owners next upkeep phase."
this means: you cannot attack with the captured creature but the opponent also not unless the creature has haste.

If we make something like this, I would like to see Fling reused A happy smile

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Sun, 2012-08-12 16:44
jolykj
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@ sommbsnph: i have now looked at the first post on the ninja team could you copy past it to the first post so we have the same rules?

Who is on the pirat team?

Sun, 2012-08-12 21:21
sommbsnph

I erretad a custom set reprint once by editing the Pirate Type to the Rouge type.

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Mon, 2012-08-13 03:32
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@ Jeret: I saw the creature 'Lookout' and I had a similar idea for a creature, would you be open to the idea to change the name to 'Crows-Nest Pirate'? And I like Kukemssa Pirates but we can't be certain that the Ninjas deck will have enough artifacts to take with it.

card ideas:
Mutineer 1 mana symbolBlue/red mana symbol
Creature- Human Pirate Colorless mana symbol
Intimidate
When ~ comes into play Clash with an opponent, the winner gains control of ~.
3/3

(treasure island)
Land Blue mana symbol
etbt
Tap symbol: add Blue mana symbol to your mana pool.
1 mana symbolBlue mana symbol,Tap symbol: put a card from your hand on top of your library.
Don't bury that treasure too deep lads, if you die I want to be able to find it again!(flavor text)

(something) Cove
Land Blue mana symbol
etbt
Tap symbol, sacrifice ~: search your library for an island or mountain and put it into play. Then shuffle your library.

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Mon, 2012-08-13 11:32
sommbsnph

Cove entering tapped is bad and personally I would not give it any Drawback.

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Mon, 2012-08-13 13:43
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@Heads vs Tails: i really like the Mutineer, (treasure island) seems bad but is okey since it can tap for Blue mana symbol and (something) Cove is just a Scalding Tarn that enters the battlefield tapped.

@sommbsnph: (something) Cove is just a Scalding Tarn that enters the battlefield tapped. without the drawback it is one of the bast card printed.

what do people think about my ideers

[name] 1 mana symbolBlue mana symbolRed mana symbol
Creature - [something] Pirate Blue mana symbol
[something]
Other Pirates you control gets +1/+1 and [something]
Whenever [name] attacks, you may pay Blue/red mana symbol and chose target creature. If you do clash with that creatrues controler. If you win [name] deals 2 damage to that creature.
2/2

[treasure] 3 mana symbol (Blue mana symbolRed mana symbol)
Artifact Red mana symbol
At the beginning of your upkeep or whenever a creature you control deals combat damage to an opponent, put a treasure counter on [treasure].
1 mana symbol, Remove a treasure counter from [treasure]: you gain 1 life.
1 mana symbol, Remove two treasure counter from [treasure]: Draw a card.
1 mana symbol, Remove X treasure counter from [treasure]: Add X mana symbol mana to your mana pool.

Seacaptains Parrot 1 mana symbolBlue mana symbol
Creature - Bird Pirat Colorless mana symbol
Flying
Tap symbol: Look at the top card of target player's library.
1/2

[pirat] Red mana symbol
Crature - [something] Pirat Colorless mana symbol
At the beginning of your upkeep tap target permanent you control.
"Give me something i don't work for free!"
2/1

[Something cool name] 3 mana symbolBlue mana symbolRed mana symbol
Legendary Artifat Creature - [Something] Pirat Ship M Mana for MTG Extra
(islandwalk or other keyword ability)
Whenever [name] attacks chose up to two target creatures, then clash for each creature with that creatures controler. If you win the clash, that creature attacks with you this turn and is a Pirat in adition to its other types until end of turn, otherwise tap it.
3/5

Mon, 2012-08-13 13:46
sommbsnph

Daring Pirate Red mana symbol
Creature - Human Rogue Colorless mana symbol
~ gets +1/+1 if you control a Tresure Piece.
1/1

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Mon, 2012-08-13 13:55
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@sommbsnph: what is a Tresure Piece.

Mon, 2012-08-13 15:20
sommbsnph

Pirate Map 2 mana symbol
Artifact Colorless mana symbol
Tap symbol, tap an untapped Creature you control: gain a Treasure Peice Artifact Token.

Wild Pirates 2 mana symbolRed mana symbol
Creature - Human Rogue Blue mana symbol
Sacrifice a Treasure Piece: ~ deals 2 damage to target Creature or Player.
2/2

Alalytical Pirates 2 mana symbolBlue mana symbol
Creature - Human Rogue Blue mana symbol
Sacrifice a Treasure Piece: Draw a Card.
2/2

Found Treasure 3 mana symbolBlue mana symbol
Instant Colorless mana symbol
gain 3 Treasure Piece Artifact Tokens.

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Tue, 2012-08-14 11:39
JeReT
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@Heads vs Tails:
1. Are you in our team? Sorry, but the teams has been made last week.
2. Your cards seem to be very non-useful. A 3/3 creature which can be controlled by the opponent? a land where you can put cards on top of your lib (okay, this can be nice for clashing)? a tapped land which can only search for lands? Sorry, but I wouldn't add any of these cards into a deck. they are too less powerful.

@jolykj:
can you clash as often as you can pay? for example: can you clash 4 times for the same creature to deal 8 damage to it? Might be a bit powerful for an uncommon...
as i mentioned before: i would restrict the treasure... like it comes with 7 counters on it...
Seacaptains Parrot: It's okay.
[pirat]: a nice card with a big drawback. I don't know if i should like it or hate it Winking smiley
the ship: coool A happy smile i like!

@sommbsnph: The Idea of the treasure pieces is awsome, i think! This allows us to achieve many new mechanics. I vote for it A happy smile
But why "Rogue"? Our setting is "Pirate" so the creatures should be "Pirates".

here another card:

Barrel of Rum 4 mana symbol
Artifact Colorless mana symbol
Barrel of Rum enters the Battlefield with X charge counters on it, where X is the number of Pirates on the battlefield.
Tap symbol, remove a charge counter: Target Pirate Creature get's +2/+1 until end of turn.
Tap symbol, remove a charge counter: Target non-Pirate Creature get's -2/-1 until end of turn.
Red mana symbolRed mana symbolRed mana symbol, sacrifice Barrel of Rum: Barrel of Rum deals X damage to target creature, where X is the number of charge counters on it.
To that sea-roving bum We'll take a barrel of rum.

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Mon, 2012-08-13 21:30
sommbsnph

Pirates are not in MTG thats why.

Pirate Hoardeer Red mana symbol
Creature - Human Rogue Red mana symbol
~ has power and toughness each equal to the number of treasure pieces you control.
*/*

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Mon, 2012-08-13 21:40
jolykj
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@JeReT: it is a triggered ability that course the paying and claching part so only once per attack.

wow we are getting quite alot of artifacts.

i vote that we should have the following.
1 Mythic
5 Rares
17 Uncommon
37 Common (including basic)

Mon, 2012-08-13 21:42
JeReT
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@sommbsnph: Even there where no pirates in MTG (which is not true), there would be no reason why we should not add them.
If you say that we are not allowed to use anything which is not in MTG, we also could not use the treasure pieces.

@jolykj: ah, ok, then it is okay...
I would say: yes, let's try to get this quantity. but if it differs a little, it is not so bad.

PS: the Barrel of Rum does almost the same with both abilities... so i change it to +2/+1 and -2/-1

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Mon, 2012-08-13 22:00
jolykj
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here are all the pirates printed

Mon, 2012-08-13 22:04
sommbsnph

And please point a Pirate out that was printed in or after Invasion Set.

Magic was a terrible game until Invasion came out.

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Mon, 2012-08-13 22:07
jolykj
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well that is a bad argument not to make pirates

Tue, 2012-08-14 00:41
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@JeReT: I did sign up for the challenge before teams were made but I wasn't originally put on a team, so I double checked on the original thread and was told I was on the pirate team. As for the land, the (something) Cove, I based it on Flood Plain, a land that appeared in the Venser dual deck. It was part of a cycle so I just thought I'd fill in an enemy colored version.

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Tue, 2012-08-14 00:43
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I know that I'm not on the team, but it would be fun to give barrel of rum an "explode" ability, because rum is pretty combustible.

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Tue, 2012-08-14 12:31
jolykj
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you may have noticed that all of the creatures i make doesn't have a creature type beside Pirate, the ideer with that is a pirate could be any type such as goblin, elf, zombie, merfolk etc. What do other think about this?

2 mana symbolBlue mana symbolRed mana symbol Creature - [something] pirate Red mana symbol Blue/red mana symbol: Clash with an opponent. if you win put a Treasure Peice Artifact Token onto the battlefeild. Whenever you clash and win, you may put a 2/2 blue and red [something] Pirat onto the battlefield. 2/2

Tue, 2012-08-14 12:35
JeReT
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@Heads vs Tails: Okay, then welcome to the team Big smile And sorry for my harsh criticism.

@BolasDragon: Thanks for the great suggestion! I added your idea to the post with the barrel of rum.

@sommbsnph: Please open the Magic Set Editor, create a new Set for Magic, select "Creature" as card type and anything (for example "Human") as first creature type (race). Then select the second creature type (class): navigate to "All Classes" and then to "J-P". You will find "Pirate" at the bottom of the list.
A Pirate is not a Rogue.

@jolykj: your last entry seems to be too powerful to me. I would delete the second ability and make an enchantment of it like this:

Eye Patch 2 mana symbolBlue/red mana symbol
Enchantment Blue mana symbol
When you clash and it is tied, you win the clash.
Whenever you win a clash, put a 2/2 blue and red Human Pirate Creature Token onto the Battlefield, unless each opponent pays 2 life.
"Ye landlubber wanna become a pirate? Arrr, okay. I will turn a blind eye to it. Get onto the boat." - Captain [insert name]

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Tue, 2012-08-14 12:28
sommbsnph

Barrel of Rum is not powerful enough.

Also:

Explosive Treasure 2 mana symbol
Artifact - Treasure Piece
When ~ leaves play it deals 2 Damage to target Creature or Player.

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Tue, 2012-08-14 12:41
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Good Place to Hide X mana symbolBlue/red mana symbol
Instant Colorless mana symbol
Put target non-land permanent with converted mana costs X or less on top of it's owners library.
It's owner draws a card at end of turn.
"That's a small hornswaggle. Not worth the digging."

This one is nice if you plan to clash... put a little 1-mana guy on top of the lib... then you probably will win.

@Heads vs Tails: Maybe we can make a similar mechanism with your land:

Treasure Island
Land Blue mana symbol
Treasure Island enters the battlefield tapped.
Tap symbol: add Blue mana symbol to your mana pool.
1 mana symbolBlue mana symbol, Tap symbol: put a card from your hand on top of your library. Draw a card at end of turn.
Don't bury that booty too deep lads, if ye die I wanna be able to find it again!

Edit: Barrel of Rum is a common... so i think it is okay for a common. How would you increase the power?

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Tue, 2012-08-14 12:43
jolykj
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Barrel of rum do way to many thinks for a common.

Mythic what are we going to make?
i have showed you my ideer but do other haves ideers?