Duel Decks: A Team Design Contest

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Thu, 2012-08-09 22:26
DJ Indigo
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What is Duel Decks?
Duel Decks is a contest that tests your design abilities while working with others in a group. People sign up for the monthly contest and are randomly assigned to one of two teams. They then must create one deck that fits the contests theme. After both teams have submitted their entries, the cards are judged and then the winner is announced. The winning team gets one of their cards displayed on the header for the forums to see.

Faeries vs Giants
Hello again! This last contest was really great and I can't wait to start another. Inanimate has posted judging and the winner but I'd like to give everyone a heads up. You may begin signing up for the next contest! The schedule is as follows.

Friday August 31st 11:59 P.M. Eastern Time - Signup is closed.
Saturday Septembr 1st 1:00 P.M. Eastern Time - Team Assignments
Friday September 21st 11:59 P.M. Eastern Time - Entries Due
Monday September 24st - Judging

The theme for the next contest has been decided!
Blue/black mana symbol Faeries vs. Red/white mana symbol Giants

Blue/black mana symbol Faeries | Contest Rules and Guidelines

1. All cards must be either blue, black, or colorless.
2. You are allowed to use any keywords from the Lorwyn-Shadowmoor block. You may not use any other non-evergreen keywords.
3. Your suggested reprint number is 3. You may only reprint cards from the Lorwyn-Shadowmoor block.
4. You may have up to two 2-offs.
5. You must redesign the following cards and include them in your deck list.

  • Oona, Queen of the Fae
  • Bitterblossom
  • Secluded Glen

You may have no less than 18 lands and no greater than 24.
You do not have a set rarity index, but your proportions of mythic-to-rare-to-uncommon-to-common should not be ridiculous.

Red/white mana symbolGiants | Contest Rules and Guidelines

1. All cards must be either red, white, or colorless.
2. You are allowed to use any keywords from the Lorwyn-Shadowmoor block. You may not use any other non-evergreen keywords.
3. Your suggested reprint number is 4. You may only reprint cards from the Lorwyn-Shadowmoor block.
4. You may have up to three 2-offs.
5. You must redesign the following cards and include them in your deck list.

  • Brion Stoutarm
  • Crush Underfoot
  • Ancient Amphitheater

You may have no less than 19 lands and no greater than 25.
You do not have a set rarity index, but your proportions of mythic-to-rare-to-uncommon-to-common should not be ridiculous.

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Team Ninja

  • Daij_Djan | Favorite Card: Shimmering Moonlight
  • smooth | Favorite Card: Pressure Point Shinobi
  • grishnax | Favorite Card: Decoy

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Fri, 2012-08-10 00:33
sommbsnph

I'll join.

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Fri, 2012-08-10 00:40
Daij_Djan
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Not sure if I'll have the time, so no signing up (at least now). However two (three) questions came to my mind instantly:
Reprints - yes or no (this is a far different scale of cards than most of the other contests here, actually)?
Will there be a default for the rarities? About how often a card is included within the deck?

Fri, 2012-08-10 01:10
DJ Indigo
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I decided earlier that that sort of thing would be part of the theme assignment. This allowed for less initial restrictions and allowed the themes to feel more unique.

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Fri, 2012-08-10 01:20
Daij_Djan
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Ok, thanks^^ Well, I'll take my time figuring up whether I've enough time to enter, then Stick out your tongue

Fri, 2012-08-10 02:19
jolykj
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i am in

Fri, 2012-08-10 10:27
tommo999

I will join if i am needed.

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Fri, 2012-08-10 11:35
DJ Indigo
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At best, three more people should sign up!

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Fri, 2012-08-10 12:45
smooth
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This interests me. Are you sure it's a good idea to have the teams judge each other? It might lead to the more less generous side winning, instead of the better design.
Should each team make an own thread somewhere? Or should we decide on a medium to communicate (like LiveMessenger+Dropbox)?

Either way, I want to try this, so count me in.

Fri, 2012-08-10 13:42
DJ Indigo
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i geuss i could judge and yes you guys should make your own thread.

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Fri, 2012-08-10 14:42
JeReT
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I would like to join.
but i am not sure how much time I can spend on this.

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Fri, 2012-08-10 15:13
DJ Indigo
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the deck you design is 60 cards and your making around 36 cards total. You shouldnt have to spend n entire two weeks doing it. you can drop in on the thread from day to day to contribute. You should be fine.

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Fri, 2012-08-10 16:09
Daij_Djan
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Oh well, I'm to interested to back out so count me in Winking smiley

Btw, having a neutral and single judge seems to be a good idea. If the whole team had to agree on the rating of each opponents team's card, it would be quite.. annoying Winking smiley

Fri, 2012-08-10 16:22
DJ Indigo
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Okay, i will judge. But how should the judges cycle? Is he or she chosen randomly from the winning team?

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Fri, 2012-08-10 19:24
Inanimate
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You could always have some volunteer judges, as well. I'm sure some people are too busy to make the deck, but not too busy to give it a rating.

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Fri, 2012-08-10 20:04
DJ Indigo
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Okay, if you dont mind judging, thats fine. Ive come up with a theme. If anyone wans to join, please do Big smile.

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Fri, 2012-08-10 23:40
grishnax
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I'll take your place. I'm not sure how free I'll be in the next few weeks, but I'll try to do this. It seems pretty interesting, and I wouldn't mind trying to work on a team.

Sat, 2012-08-11 00:02
Daij_Djan
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So we're supposed to redesign these two? Will be hard, having the "original" in mind Winking smiley

Also having multiple copies of the same card is fine or not for this challenge?

Sat, 2012-08-11 00:18
Inanimate
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Usually, a Duel Deck has mostly singletons except for two to five 2-ofs, which are used to give extra consistency to the deck.

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Sat, 2012-08-11 00:23
Daij_Djan
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Yeah, I know - that's why I asked Winking smiley Though it's really not two to fife - Divine has eleven 2-ofs, actually (though Demonic only seven)..

Sat, 2012-08-11 00:24
Inanimate
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Oh, my bad. I only bothered checking the decklists of the last few. Stick out your tongue

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Sat, 2012-08-11 01:05
DJ Indigo
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I think that doubling up on up to 4 cards would acceptable. Good question.

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Sat, 2012-08-11 03:31
Heads vs Tails
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I suppose I will join as well, to see how this goes. My question is do we have to design all new cards for the deck, or can we throw in reprints if they fit the flavor of the design?

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Sat, 2012-08-11 07:57
tommo999

i have now made my one so if anyone want to join here is the place http://magicseteditor.sourceforge.net/node/6160

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Sat, 2012-08-11 08:43
Daij_Djan
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@Heads vs Tails: Three reprints are fine - it's stated below the theme Winking smiley

So, now each team makes his own thread, right? Within the Forum Games Section?

Edit: Oh and two copies of a card should be fine, actually. With 4-ofs, there aren't many slots left for design Winking smiley

Sat, 2012-08-11 08:54
DJ Indigo
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What I meant is you can have 4 2offs. grishnax is on ninjas and heads vs tails is on pirates. @tommo this is a team design so you are welcome to join the ninjas.

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Sat, 2012-08-11 09:05
Daij_Djan
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Ok, then I don't understand the doubling up part, but never mind - sounds fine that way Winking smiley

EDIT: Misread the up on up part - sorry^^

Sat, 2012-08-11 09:00
Inanimate
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"Doubling up" means that up to 4 cards can be "doubled", that is, 2-ofs.

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Sat, 2012-08-11 09:26
Daij_Djan
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I've created a thread for Team Ninja

Sat, 2012-08-11 11:18
jolykj
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so wich team should i join?

Sat, 2012-08-11 11:32
Daij_Djan
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@jolykj: First posts says you're a pirate Winking smiley

Sat, 2012-08-11 11:43
sommbsnph

I think we shouldd get as many reprints as we want as long as we all design at least 10 new cards ala Planechase 2012 and have up to 8 2 ofs.

Wouln't Basic Lands btw take at least 2 Reprint slots for team.

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Sat, 2012-08-11 13:43
Daij_Djan
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Basic lands never count as reprints Winking smiley I'm fine with the current reprint / 2-of numbers we have but don't mind changing them this early in design - however it should be decided within this weekend. Only simply 10 new cards seems very little, looking at three designers for each team..

Sat, 2012-08-11 13:57
sommbsnph

But sometimes a reprint fits a slot better then any new card several times

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Sat, 2012-08-11 14:00
Daij_Djan
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Sure, but our decks have (roughly) 30 non-land cards. 20 reprints seem to be way to many - for a design-forum at least.

Sat, 2012-08-11 14:01
sommbsnph

I guess 1/3rd Reprints would be ok

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Sat, 2012-08-11 15:41
Heads vs Tails
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I wasn't put on a team, should I wait until the next contest?

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Sat, 2012-08-11 17:54
Daij_Djan
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DJ Indigo wrote:
What I meant is you can have 4 2offs. grishnax is on ninjas and heads vs tails is on pirates. @tommo this is a team design so you are welcome to join the ninjas.

You're a pirate Winking smiley

Sat, 2012-08-11 19:50
tommo999

i have never really be into ninjas so dw. but i might still might make a Starfish deck since i have the idea in my head now lol.

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Sun, 2012-08-12 22:20
sommbsnph

In duel deck Wizards reccomends that for custom ones that you look at eachothers decks when your using different groups for each 1.

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Sun, 2012-08-12 22:28
Daij_Djan
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Sure, because these are supposed to be on pair powerwise and be fun to play against. The original ones should have synergies and attack points with the other one to offer both player a nice gaming experience.. But I don't really think that's the case here - since this is a contest, or not? So I actually don't really want to know, what your team is doing, that's the whole purpose or am I wrong?

Should be up to our judges, but I'm against looking at each others designs before the "showdown" (that seems to be the unspoken question, am I right?)..

Sun, 2012-08-12 22:32
sommbsnph

I am for it, it will not help you win just like Obama watching Romney adds will not help Obama win while Romney watching Obama adds will not help Romney win either so therefore there is nothing wrong with looking at eachothers designs.

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Sun, 2012-08-12 22:40
Daij_Djan
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*shrugs* Actually I think it does provide at least some help (and politicans always attack flaws within their opponents election program), but to me it's also about the feeling..

But again, I'll let our two (?) judges decide (like with the reprint question - without different message we'll continue with only four in mind), if they say it's fine, I won't say anything against it^^

Sun, 2012-08-12 23:13
Inanimate
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In a real Duel Decks, you do want the two decks to be approximately matched in power, and to have some fun interactions between the two. However, since this is a competition, I don't think looking at the other team's stuff is particularly, well, good sportsmanship. It'd be nice to keep it as a surprise until the end. There's nothing I can do to stop you from looking at the other team's stuff (how would I know, after all), but I just think it takes the spirit out of it. You won't get disqualified or anything.

Secondly, regarding reprints: I'm going to say that you can include more if you so desire, as I see no harm. However, this will damage your creativity score. I'm sure you can create an intriguing and interesting deck without resorting to too many reprints. Most sets only use a maximum of like, 10 reprints. I'm not going to give you a strict "more than 4 reduces your score"; I'm going to say that, if I have the feeling your deck just wasn't creative enough, I'll lower your score. That gives you some major leeway, especially if you wow me with some very creative designs in your custom cards.

I don't know what Indigo will have to say about all this, but those are my feelings on the matter.

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Mon, 2012-08-13 21:03
DJ Indigo
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I agree with Inanimate completely. You can use reprints, but the whole point of the contest is to design cards.

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Fri, 2012-08-17 21:32
smooth
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Are we allowed to get wording advice over in the card clinic?
There's a singe card that stumps us, we're not gonna have the community design our whole set, so...

Sat, 2012-08-18 05:51
Inanimate
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I think wording advice is fine -- the main points are going to be in balancing and creativity, and while wording is important, it's probably okay to seek advice. I'd rather see a cool card that needed a bit of fine-tuning, than a boring card that was easy to word. Stick out your tongue

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Sat, 2012-08-18 12:58
Daij_Djan
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Actually, I think the problem was already solved - but it really was a tough one (it'd be interesting to see, whether you can guess which card it was when reading our entry) Winking smiley

Btw, how should our final decks be presented? Providing a MSE-download propably makes it easier to get a glimpse at the set on the whole - but being able to read it online without downloading would also be nice.. Both?

Sat, 2012-08-18 13:11
DJ Indigo
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I think both would be great. It would also be really cool if you guys created a "popular cards" section in your post. AKA cards you are proud of.

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Sat, 2012-08-18 13:16
Daij_Djan
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Hmm, sounds fine. So like our top 5 or so (with or without order).. After finishing the wording on this one special card, I'd say we have an interesting contender for this list already^^

Sat, 2012-08-18 19:02
Inanimate
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I'm super excited to see what it is, now! C:

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