[ISD] Innistrad Frames *SPOILER ALERT* - READ BEFORE REQUESTING

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Wed, 2012-01-25 01:53
Seth Dracovitch
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So is the PW DFC Template dead?

Wed, 2012-01-25 13:20
The1337
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Probably.

That just happened.

Wed, 2012-01-25 15:11
Negative ZZ
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Awwwww A sad 'frowny'

No Eldrazi Transformers now?

Sun, 2012-01-29 04:14
silvercut

-On a land-to-creature transformation card, the color indicator on the night-side is turned off and can't be turned on.
-When the indicator is turned off, such as with with the previous error or an artifact-to-artifact card, the card type is still indented.

Also, having to go though the style tab for the color indicator is a little counter-intuitive. Could it be implemented in a way similar to the flashback tombstone icon before the card name? Then the user could set it on or off on a card-by-card basis. That would allow it to be left off by default, but turned on when needed including for cards like Dryad Arbor.

Sun, 2012-01-29 14:15
The1337
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I agree. The Always option should still put the indicator on lands, whether or not it's moved.

That just happened.

Tue, 2012-02-21 11:02
Stiggles
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I would really like to know if someone would be willing to take on the task of creating a template for creatures that transform into planeswalkers? I've created the mechanic "Ignite" for commander, that flips Legendary Creatures when the conditions are met (Example: Ignite-- When an opponent has no cards in hand, you may/flip Thus-And-Such). It would be nice to have so that I don't have a million cards that I need to sort through on the editor. Thanks.

Fri, 2012-03-23 00:18
taj1994
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A link to some templates on sourceforge, put there by pichoro:

http://sourceforge.net/projects/msetemps/files/

Two of them are a double-faced Planeswalker template, under the name "DFC Planeswalkers," and a flip Planeswalker template called "Modern Flip Planeswalker."

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Fri, 2012-03-23 00:22
ForceGaia
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I just installed the ones taj1994 posted and i've had to re-install mse. they don't work properly with an up-to-date version of mse

Spoiler:

Fri, 2012-03-23 00:32
Pichoro
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Did you follow my instructions?

You don't have any errors to share?

They work fine for me and have for lots others.

Fri, 2012-03-23 00:32
taj1994
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They all work fine for me

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Fri, 2012-03-23 00:36
ForceGaia
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missed that, i just extracted it straight into the data directory

Spoiler:

Fri, 2012-03-23 00:47
Pichoro
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Yeah, I include instructions for installation because they're not compatible with the official templates. But they are compatible with MSE.

I highly recommend reading the installation instructions before use.

Fri, 2012-03-23 00:53
ForceGaia
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yeah, sorry about that, i thought it would work like the other ones.

But now i've got it working, i do prefer these to the other ones as i can see both sides at once and it updates the mini p/t on the sun side as you edit the moon side

good job

Spoiler:

Fri, 2012-03-23 00:55
Pichoro
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I'm glad you like it. Didn't you complain about the p/t thing earlier in the thread? Along with the a/b being on all card numbers?

Fri, 2012-03-23 01:29
taj1994
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This new version is definately a big improvement over the original.

Thanks Pichoro!

EDIT: Now I think people will be asking for a clear version

Negative ZZ wrote:
Awwwww A sad 'frowny'

No Eldrazi Transformers now?

And probably a four-ability Planeswalker version too

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"Mind what people do, not only what they say, for deeds will betray a lie" - Wizard's 5th Rule
"Life is the future, not the past" - Wizard's 7th Rule

Fri, 2012-03-23 02:23
ForceGaia
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Yeah, i did. but i found how to remove the ab thing soon after.

I do think it would benefit from having the name of the second face in the card list too separated by // kinda like the split cards

Spoiler:

Fri, 2012-03-23 09:46
KavuMonarch

Well, I've noticed that if you make Garruk the Veil-Cursed, his frame is gold rather than black/green hybrid (but I actually prefer it that way so that's no big deal), and the update broke the ability to make Phyrexian-mana Futureshifts, but apart from that it's great, and well worth the wait. Two thumbs up!

Now all I need is the checklist template...

Fri, 2012-03-23 09:55
Pichoro
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I'm working on a checklist too, but that one's harder.

Fri, 2012-03-23 20:34
taj1994
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KavuMonarch - If you want hybrid frames, just click on the frame to change the colour, and select "Hybrid" instead of "Multicolour"

Pichoro - I noticed that there is no colour indicator on the transforming Planeswalker. Figured it out... Also, I'm getting this error:

Spoiler:
File not found: 'aidentity.jpg' in package 'C:\Program Files (x86)\Magic Set Editor 2\data\magic-new-planeswalker-doublefaced.mse-style'
If you are trying to open a file from another package, use "/package/filename"

EDIT: Are these templates going to up on Pifro anytime soon? It would make it alot easier for people to find them. They should also be added to the Additional Templates page (especially the Futureshifted Horizontal Planeswalker template, since the original was removed from Pifro)

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"Mind what people do, not only what they say, for deeds will betray a lie" - Wizard's 5th Rule
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Fri, 2012-03-23 21:01
Pichoro
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I'm no longer hosting at pifro, ever again. I'll only be hosting in that sourceforge space from now on, as I have actual control that way.

And for the record, those templates weren't removed from pifro. Nor were they taken down at my request. I never "revoked" any rights to them. And templates of mine that you guys can see and download were locked so that I may never update them again.

So, no, my templates won't be going up there.

Edit: Besides that, sourceforge is much more stable. Pifro has had a habit of going down for various reasons in recent history. Sourceforge is down far less often.

Fri, 2012-03-23 21:25
taj1994
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That makes sense

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"Mind what people do, not only what they say, for deeds will betray a lie" - Wizard's 5th Rule
"Life is the future, not the past" - Wizard's 7th Rule

Sun, 2012-03-25 01:12
Social Darwinism
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So any progress or a link to a Planeswalker transformer or the extended art transformer from Dark Ascension?

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Sun, 2012-03-25 01:52
taj1994
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Quote:
A link to some templates on sourceforge, put there by pichoro:

http://sourceforge.net/projects/msetemps/files/

Two of them are a double-faced Planeswalker template, under the name "DFC Planeswalkers," and a flip Planeswalker template called "Modern Flip Planeswalker."

"The greatest harm can result from the best intentions" - Wizard's 2nd Rule
"Mind what people do, not only what they say, for deeds will betray a lie" - Wizard's 5th Rule
"Life is the future, not the past" - Wizard's 7th Rule

Wed, 2012-03-28 16:07
tommo999

Im just waiting for a flip Creature that turns into a 3 ability Planeswalker

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Wed, 2012-03-28 19:49
taj1994
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That would be cool. It could be something like Karn, Silver Golem on one side, and Karn Liberated on the other, or any of the cards that were creatures originally, then became Planeswalkers (like Venser, Shaper Savant, for example)

"The greatest harm can result from the best intentions" - Wizard's 2nd Rule
"Mind what people do, not only what they say, for deeds will betray a lie" - Wizard's 5th Rule
"Life is the future, not the past" - Wizard's 7th Rule

Wed, 2012-03-28 20:51
Pichoro
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The truth is I want that template too. Lots of people do. I've wanted that sort of template since I coded the flip planeswalkers way back when.

What stops me? That I feel like people would want the template to go both ways: creature->walker and walker->creature. And MSE's current restrictions prevent this from working well. So it's either make it work shoddily, make two templates, one for each direction, or wait. I'm not making two templates - I'll either wait or do it the shoddy way.

Thu, 2012-03-29 07:09
tommo999

just do one at the moment. then we could wait for the other one

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Thu, 2012-03-29 11:42
Pichoro
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It isn't about it being hard to make both and easier to make one. It's about it just simply being janky to have two templates, one for going each direction.

And let's say I only made creature -> planeswalker? You know there'd be the guy that popped up then that would complain about not having planeswalker -> creature.

I just want to do it right the first time - that's why I've not done it. A happy smile

Thu, 2012-03-29 16:41
hooliganj
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I haven't looked too closely at the code for transforming cards, but I can't think of any reason why it has to be linked to the card type at all. What's the harm in just letting each side of the card be whatever type you want?

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Thu, 2012-03-29 16:55
Pichoro
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The problem is the textbox. Regular cards don't have "paragraph height" set. Planeswalker cards do. Paragraph height isn't scripted. So a textbox can't change from regular to planeswalker - it's one or the other.

Thu, 2012-03-29 19:54
hooliganj
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You could have 2 text fields in the template, and whenever the card type is planeswalker or a leveler creature (you'd need an option or something for levelers), then the field with paragraph height would be shown and the regular field would be hidden or moved off the card.

I remember when I started working on the Shadowfist template, you (Pichoro) were the one who told me to try and keep it to one style.

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Thu, 2012-03-29 21:48
Pichoro
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What you're suggesting is one work around I've considered. But, I just think it seems, again, janky. I want it more elegant, and that's the problem. A happy smile

Mon, 2012-04-09 04:47
AriWerd

Miracles add yet another new frame to the game. Is this a template that'll be easy to add to the fold?

Mon, 2012-04-09 04:52
Guitarweeps
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The templaters have been talking about it already. They are waiting for more reveals as there could be more changes depending on other factors. We can't tell that with one card.

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Sun, 2012-05-27 10:00
dahksinol

Just my way of looking at what Pichoro said about the Planeswalker > Creature and Creature > Planeswalker. I don't think it'd be fair for a person to actually complain about you not making one or even if you made one, they shouldn't. You did it on your own time, on your own accord. 'Sides, if they really wanted to make an art on that, why not use something like GIMP or Photoshop to get the work done? Or if you're looking for you're own card in a set file, why not 'INSERT' the card via the use of the two different card types?

Mon, 2012-05-28 01:04
Pichoro
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People will complain. If I've learned anything, it's that they will, justified or not.

And as I said - not into doing things "half way".

Sat, 2012-12-22 21:18
Soul Survivor

Quote:
-On a land-to-creature transformation card, the color indicator on the night-side is turned off and can't be turned on.

All land has this problem. The style file is coded so that if a card is JUST a land, it automatically hides the color indicator dot. I presume this is because the default setting is "sometimes" which means "show dot if there is no mana cost." Naturally, this would make the dot show on all lands so they've coded lands to not show the dot, mana-cost or not. Unfortunately, the code is writen in such a way that the "no-dots-for-lands" rule overrides the "always" setting for showing color identifier.

I manually rewrote mine to fix this problem so that "always" means always: no matter what, the dot will show. I don't have anywhere to host the file but if anybody wants it or wants to host it, PM me.

Thu, 2013-01-17 14:47
tommo999

Ok I have now got a new PC and it wont let me add the Innistrad Frames. I'm on windows 8 (if that matters) can anyone help sorry if I'm pushing this up.

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Fri, 2013-01-18 01:22
Reality Glitch
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Change from a .mse-installer to a .zip, manualy extract the files and move them to the data folder in the Magic Set Editor 2 folder.

Tue, 2013-04-02 14:45
Kamotz

All I get is errors when I try this.

I download it and follow the instructions, but when I open up MSE and try to make a modern double-face template I get those warnings/error messages:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v651/Ryukatana/Untitled-1.jpg

Then I try the double-face planeswalkers. There's no visible card image template when I open it up, even though I can click around and write stuff in. It just never appears. And get this:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v651/Ryukatana/Untitled-2.jpg

I speak none of this sort of computer language, so I'm really at a loss.

Tue, 2013-04-02 16:49
Pichoro
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The fact that you mention DFC Planeswalkers tells me you're using my version of the template.

Did you follow the included instructions file for installing them? I think I titled it something like "READ ME!"? Because, I don't think you did. But you need to, because not doing so has caused those errors.

Wed, 2013-04-03 17:23
Kamotz

I've actually followed it to the letter. I even tried deleting my original folders (with backups made elsewhere) and importing the zip, and it still comes with the same errors.

Thu, 2013-04-04 00:56
Pichoro
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The thing is your errors indicate otherwise. Those errors indicate that you never updated your game file with the new one that's included, as the instructions tell you to do, and instead are using the older one.

Sat, 2013-04-27 00:12
RadiantPhoenix
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Pichoro: I think I followed the instructions in your "Instructions.txt", and MSE crashed to the CLI with the following error:

magicseteditor: /usr/include/boost/smart_ptr/intrusive_ptr.hpp:160: T& boost::intrusive_ptr<T>::operator*() const [with T = StyleSheet]: Assertion `px != 0' failed.
Aborted (core dumped)

I followed the instructions to revert, and it seems to have caused no lasting errors.

Sat, 2013-04-27 01:36
Reality Glitch
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Just out there for those who want Planeswalker-to-Nonplaneswalker or Nonplaneswalker-to-planeswalker. Make two copies of the card, one with each template, after you export both cards into image files splice the halves you want into a single image using photoshop, MS Paint, or some other image manipulation program.

Sat, 2013-04-27 06:38
taj1994
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I think they want a double-sided card, not a flip card

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"Mind what people do, not only what they say, for deeds will betray a lie" - Wizard's 5th Rule
"Life is the future, not the past" - Wizard's 7th Rule

Sun, 2013-04-28 02:33
Reality Glitch
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Exactly, you take the day side of one and place it flush w/ the night side of the other, and you have a DFC w/ one side Pw and the onther side not.

Sun, 2013-04-28 06:42
taj1994
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Yeah. I thought you were saying like a flip card (both on the same face, one upside-down)

"The greatest harm can result from the best intentions" - Wizard's 2nd Rule
"Mind what people do, not only what they say, for deeds will betray a lie" - Wizard's 5th Rule
"Life is the future, not the past" - Wizard's 7th Rule

Thu, 2013-05-23 00:55
ultlongsht

I wanted to say first that I am in awe for all the work that been done. it is awesome and amazing as I have tried to do the same with photoshop before and know the work in doing that so kudos. but I am wondering if anyone thought of a double side card that on one side is a leveler and when meeting the last level transforms. thank you again for work

Thu, 2013-05-23 05:24
Reality Glitch
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I'd make the card twice, once in Lever, and once in DFC; then export the images which are then combined together in photoshop.