The Game of Perfection - A Set Design Game

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Fri, 2011-06-10 18:11
Nerameshu
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[Natural Breakthrough] 1 mana symbolGreen mana symbol
Sorcery Common
Choose one - Destroy target artifact, or search your library for a basic land card and put it onto the battlefield tapped, then shuffle your library.
Entwine Green mana symbol

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Sun, 2011-06-12 02:31
hooliganj
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Cultivated Wilds 1 mana symbolGreen mana symbol
Sorcery Common
Choose one - Gain life equal to the converted mana cost of target artifact; or destroy target artifact.
Entwine Green mana symbol
Every chaotic leaf, bramble, stem and branch in its proper place.

I started with the idea that elves living in a forest must do some form of horticulture, yet it still ends up looking like an overgrown woodland to anyone else who comes along. That produced the name, which seemed to indicate a duality of approaches to the wild vs order theme, thus the artifact love/hate effect. I didn't start out to make an entwine card, but it worked out that way.

And yes, I note that others have already put the artifact hate on the entwine card.

-- Edit: Changed the text order. I didn't think of that, thanks Guitarweeps. (In Shadowfist, this effect would have memorized the cost of the target when it generated, so the text order isn't as important.)

-- Edit 2: Changed to Sorcery to match the rest of the cycle, changed the text format to match Entwine cards in general.

-- Edit 3: More revised templating - no changes to the design.

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Fri, 2011-06-10 23:03
Guitarweeps
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@hooligan - Not sure if you know that cards resolve in the order they are written so if you cast this trying to target the same artifact twice the second ability would fizzle. I think that was not your intent. It would work if you simply switched the written order of the two effects. Not sure if we are allowed to do that here though.

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Fri, 2011-06-10 23:14
Art_Freak
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Si. You are allowed to change your entries up to the deadline.

Sat, 2011-06-11 07:41
Guitarweeps
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Art Freak[/quote wrote:
With this being the halfway point, with next week's challenge I'll also host what we have so far in image form. This will be a look at how the first half of the contest has shaped the set, as well as give a look at the set before we get into the finer points of the design.
Will we get current standings as well? I tried to count them up on my own, and well, I don't envy you...

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Sat, 2011-06-11 12:46
Art_Freak
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haha, yeah, definitely. A happy smile

Sat, 2011-06-11 23:54
kikushadowblades
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Group Harvest 1 mana symbolGreen mana symbolGreen mana symbol
Sorcery Blue mana symbol
Search your library for up to X basic lands, where X is equal to the number of creatures you control. Put one of those lands onto the battlefield tapped and the rest into your hand.
Those who live upon the land must help the land to live.

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Sun, 2011-06-12 09:37
Xera_the_Enigma

{{Nature's Call}} 3 mana symbolGreen mana symbolGreen mana symbol
Sorcery Uncommon
Whenever a creature you control deals combat damage to an opponent this turn, you may search your library for a basic land card, put that card onto the battlefield tapped, then shuffle your library.
"Nature's voice can be heard anywhere you just have to listen for it."

the mana cost for this card seemed to be the hardest thing for me to balance, but i finally settled on a cmc of 5 which felt like a decent fit 6 mana felt like too much and 4 mana was definitely too cheap for this card to be an uncommon though i almosted gave it overrun's mana cost. all in all i think it came out pretty well

Sun, 2011-06-12 21:24
Guitarweeps
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Hunter's Call 3 mana symbolGreen mana symbol
Instant Blue mana symbol
Choose one - Put a 3/3 green Beast creature token onto the battlefield; or put three 1/1 green Elf Warrior creature tokens onto the battlefield.
Entwine - sacrifice a creature.
Predators in the <insert name of location> come in many shapes and sizes. All are equally deadly.

I chose to go with entwining token generation. I originally had planned on an entwine of 1 mana symbolGreen mana symbol which would have been balanced I think. I chose to switch it to sac a creature which usually is really strange in green; hasn't really been seen since Jund. But it really fit the flavor of the card (your sac'd creauture was hunted and killed by either the beast or the elves) and really fit well with memorial. Made it instant for better effect and combat tricks since four mana for three power is not something to brag about says Bestial Menace.

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Thu, 2011-06-16 00:12
Sohel
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Sohel interested here.
Now I understand this game. If I'm allowed, here it goes:

Remember the Gone 5 mana symbolGreen mana symbol
Sorcery Uncommon
You gain 6 life.
Memorial - If a creature you control died this turn, you gain an additional 8 life.

Just splashing Memorial onto other kind of cards... If allowed, of course.

Edit: changed the Memorial from 6 to 8.

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Mon, 2011-06-13 16:31
Black_Coda
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Baneful Charge Green mana symbolGreen mana symbolGreen mana symbol

Sorcery Blue mana symbol

Choose one: Until end of turn creatures you control get
+3/+0 for each other attacking creature, or until end of turn
target creature gets +4/+4 as long as there are no
cards in your graveyard.

Entwine Green mana symbol (Choose both if you pay the entwine cost.)

Mon, 2011-06-13 15:56
SarkhanVol
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[NAME] 1 mana symbolGreen mana symbol
Sorcery Common
Choose one: Target creature gains +3/+3 and gains trample until end of turn or destroy target artifact or enchantment.
Entwine Green mana symbol

Tue, 2011-06-14 04:35
Art_Freak
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Just a heads up everybody: we've got tons and tons of pump cards here, but not a lot of other things green needs. Be sure to check the included link to see what green typically needs to function. Doing something somebody hasn't already submitted would help your chances greatly.

Tue, 2011-06-14 16:03
windandfire
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[Good Omen] - 4 mana symbolGreen mana symbol
Sorcery Chaos Symbol
Search your library for a basic land card and put it onto the battlefield tapped. Shuffle your library.
You gain 2 life for each land you control.

"I will do science to it." - Kimiko “Thunderbolt” Ross
"I can wire anything directly into anything - I'm the professor!" - Professor Hubert J. Farnsworth
"Our tanks can't hold aggro of that magnitude!

Wed, 2011-06-15 01:20
Art_Freak
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Last call for entries. Count-down Partial reveal and this week's winners go up tomorrow at 7PM instead of midnight, because I have to be to work 4 hours early Thursday on what was supposed to be my day off, haha.

Wed, 2011-06-15 04:23
Sgmendez of Golgari
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[Vine Snare] - 2 mana symbolGreen mana symbol
Sorcery Common
Search your library for a land card and put it onto the battlefield tapped. Shuffle your library.
If that land was a forest, tap target creature with flying.

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Thu, 2011-06-16 00:54
GENERALTANK99

gaias great gift GGGG
instant
draw a card and return 1 spell from your grave to your hand

Thu, 2011-06-16 01:44
Art_Freak
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Alright, everything including winners for this week will be in the first post as images shortly. The winners this week were hooliganj, Picks-at-Flies, Sewn-Eye, Cthulhupwn, windandfire, and GENERALTANK99. Congrats guys! Clapping



CURRENT CHALLENGE:

Challenge structure has been bumped by one, and I've brought 19 forward to now, previously blank, to be used to help fill in reprints and discuss the possible inclusion of Baru.

Quote:
11th: Reprints. Suggest 3 reprints for the set, any rarity. One must be a planeswalker, and no legendary creatures, colored artifacts, or hybrids. All rules of what isn't going in the set still apply. Also give opinion "yes" or "no" if Baru, Fist of Krosa should be reprinted. If yes, this would give us another pseudokeyword to build on. Right now I've included him in the set, but if a majority want him and Grandeur out, then I'll remove him.

Eleventh deadline is June 22nd, 11:59PM CST.

Thu, 2011-06-16 09:57
Anuttymous
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Are we reprinting a planeswalker card, then, or redoing a planeswalker with a new card?

For Baru, I'm a bit adverse to having two pseudo keywords - memorial and grandeur, but it might be nice to bring it back.
In a word, no, as I think there are better non-pseudo keywords from other cards.

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Thu, 2011-06-16 14:23
lord_joakim
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Thoughts:

I like the gimmicky lands.

I love grandeur.

Also, excellent work with flavoring out my designs. A happy smile

I don't know if I like Baru. The problem is that his ability makes differently sized tokens of the same type from one card. I used to play a Treefolk deck that produced 4 kinds of tokens that I didn't have in paper, so it got quite problematic to control. This card produces different tokens in itself. I assume it would be ok at rare, but I'm uncertain whether he's good to go for a post-Future Sight set. Regardless; I'd love if Grandeur is in because I love legends and never had a chance to play with it. My point is: If this were to be a real, perfect set, I'd include Grandeur, and probably a new version of Baru, but not this card. The X's should've been *'s, it would have been sooo much less complicated. That's what newbs assume regardless.

Thu, 2011-06-16 15:43
New Kind of Christ
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For the planeswalker: You already have plans for a white and a black Planeswalker. That rules out Ajani and Liliana. Especially since Liliana is going to be in Inistrad. I say we use Nicol Bolas, since he is the only planeswalker without a form in current standard(other then...Nissa, who would cause a reprint of Nissa's Chosen). Then again, Sarkhan is soon rotating out, and he seems to be a fun character to play with. They both seem like good choices.

Sarkhan Vol
or
Nicol Bolas, Planeswalker

Baru seems like a fun card to play with, and we could use grandeur for the other legends. However, in time spiral, I am assuming Grandeur was flavorful since Baru would have been alive in a different scenario, and he is discarded for the current Baru. That is a guess, I don't really know. So reprint of Baru? Why not, if my reasoning is false?

Another two reprints:

Ebon Dragon in case you do reprint Nicol Bolas.

Alms for a dinky card to use if you used a lot of memorial and need to survive.

Thu, 2011-06-16 16:45
copapoc

i say no baru. he's packing a whole keywordslot with him, wich chould be used on an actual keyword, instead of another pseudo, as mentioned before.

i second Nicol Bolas, Planeswalker, although a reprinted walker in a set like this doesn't seem to fit. i'd prefer a third original walker.

as for the other two, i'd say nekrataal at common and Magma giant at uncommon. both cards where underpowerd, and to add them in on a lower rarity shall make limited a blast, and add to the limited experience. also magma giant and shaman of the orb make for cool interaction A happy smile

Thu, 2011-06-16 16:49
hooliganj
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I'm happy my card was chosen, but sad that I can't really contribute to this week's challenge. Excellent work on the set so far, Art_Freak.

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Thu, 2011-06-16 17:13
Sewn-Eye
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I'd say yes to Baru, Fist of Krosa, but since half the set's already complete, we can't really experiment with Grandeur on common and uncommon creatures and stuff. So, I say no to Baru.

As for the reprinted Planeswalker, I'll nominate Ajani Vengeant.

And the other two cards I think should be reprinted are...

Druid Lyrist - Right now, Green can't hit enchantments.

... and...

Sea's Claim - To bolster the Pirate-y islandwalk theme.

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Tue, 2011-06-21 23:58
HerzinthTheDark
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Err, if you put in Baru, then you'd need other Granduer cards, which means making legends based on other legends... So I say no.

Ok... reprinted Planeswalkers. If they had a Kiora planeswalker card, then I'd do that. But since there isn't... Chandra Nalaar.

Eternity Vessel, because I just love the way it saves you over and over.

Prodigal Sorcerer. Zippies are great =D

EDIT: Hmm. Just wondering, for Challenge 14 (the planeswalker one) could I make a Kiora planeswalker?

EDIT2: Just realized. Putting Landfall in would be such a no-no. So, instead... Overrun... I mean, people are always saying that you need an overrun effect in each set... but they don't actually reprint it... It was in 2010, but that's not standard anymore.

Thu, 2011-06-16 20:03
TheAmazingKamahl
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No Baru, personally, and I think that either of these three should fill a spot as classics:

Spoiler:
Cancel. Who hasn't used a Cancel in one deck? The nice, clean borderline for counter spells.
Giant Growth. Also, who hasn't used the old instant big guys trick? I have!
Finally, Lightning Bolt The basic red burn spell. BASIC.

Thu, 2011-06-16 22:46
Darkerling
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As far as Baru, I'd give or take. but if we're using grandur, we'll need to use it a lot.

We might be able to get away with adding him, and not adding grandur...

for planes walkers, I'd go with Garruk Wildspeaker.

for the other 2 reapearing spells, I'd say
Fog
Sea's Claim (even though it's already been said)

Edit: Sewn-eye is right. planeswalker + two other cards.

Thu, 2011-06-16 21:35
Sewn-Eye
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Guys, one of the suggested reprints has to be a Planeswalker.

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Fri, 2011-06-17 02:53
Art_Freak
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Ah, I'm sorry for the confusion guys. I meant a reprint planeswalker as in a planeswalker we've seen before, not a new one. It will get a whole new card. Just looking for suggestions and kind of a majority opinion on which one to go with. As for the reprints, 6 of the selected will be chosen as winners. And Baru - that's fine if nobody wants him in, I just thought he might fit in revisiting Otaria, but maybe a new version of him?, or leave him for another custom set to make use of?

Fri, 2011-06-17 05:03
lord_joakim
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I'd love to see Baru again. Just not the card from Future Sight.

If we are to suggest a Planeswalker, I'd love to see Sarkhan Vol, as he's just that awesome. Sarkhan vs Baru would be fun too.

Fri, 2011-06-17 05:06
copapoc

if that's the case:
baru as a new legend ? jes sir, thank you.
as a NEW planeswalker, i'd like to see a mono-color bolas then A happy smile

Fri, 2011-06-17 05:31
Nerameshu
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New Baru, I agree. New Planeswalker... Well, if you're going to make a new Baru, what about him being the new 'Walker? Of course, if not, I'd like a new Gideon.

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Since he's in the new core set, I'd like to see a different incarnation.

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Fri, 2011-06-17 09:26
Nikeyeia
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I'm with copapoc on this one. Baru as a new legend, and a mono-colored Bolas. Hopefully, Bolas will be less costy.

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Fri, 2011-06-17 21:14
SarkhanVol
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Yes, Baru should be in the set, but it should be different. Sarkhan should come to the set, too. This isn't because my ID is SarkhanVol, it's because I haven't seen him lately. And I agree with TheAmazingKamahl, who hasn't played with a cancel or a giant growth? These two are necessary in any set, they're classics!!

Fri, 2011-06-17 21:33
New Kind of Christ
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They are classics with room for flavorful variants. We just had a challenge for boost spells. Cancel is the same, we made a bunch of counter spells already.

Fri, 2011-06-17 21:47
Sewn-Eye
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They're classics because they're reprinted time and time again in Core sets (with good reason). There's a really good reason we don't see Lightning Bolt or Giant Growth printed in expert-level expansions. Cancel is actually kinda new, so I'm not too sure about that one.

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Fri, 2011-06-17 22:23
hooliganj
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I feel safe pointing this out, since I have no stake this week --

This is still a competition thread, not a group design. You shouldn't opine about other's selections.

Also, there's no point in choosing something that was already nominated - they're already on the list.

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Fri, 2011-06-17 23:34
Art_Freak
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hooliganj is spot on guys. For the reprints, try and suggest your own. For the planeswalker, choose anyone even one already chosen - majority wins on that one. For the comments on other's suggestions... don't. It's not meant to be mean, but it's the reality that this is still a competition, and with a challenge based on opinion: everyone is entitled to their own.

@hooliganj: If you want to compete this week, even without knowing tons about Magic, go here and you can search ideas based on effects and types and whatnot in advanced search, or even just hit "Random" to display a random card until you find some you like that you think would work in the set. I'd hate to see anyone excluded from the competition for any reason really.

Fri, 2011-06-17 23:53
Guitarweeps
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I don't think we are competing with the planeswalker or Baru. I think he is looking for majority opinion on those. Just the two non-planeswalker reprints.

My vote for Baru is a yes. I have always thought of grandeur as a legendary creature ability although it would be cool to use on some commons for limited. I don't think it is too late though, we still have some slots to fill.
Anyways, the reason I like Baru is because he mechanically interacts well with Baru's Gaze, Krosan Naturalist, Krosan Warden, and Timbercharge Beast. Additionally, the granduer mechanic opens some doors for Curse of the Black Spot and Banishment of Rememberence.

I vote for Bolas as the planeswalker as we are returning to Dominaria and he has some history there.

For my two reprints I would suggest:

Abyssal Gatekeeper 1 mana symbolBlack mana symbol
Creature - Horror Chaos Symbol
Memorial - When Abyssal Gatekeeper dies, each player sacrifices a creature.
There is good reason not to go beyond this gate.
1/1

I think a one-of horror along with our vamps and gorgons is most welcome. Especially such a thematic one like this.

Dismiss 2 mana symbolBlue mana symbolBlue mana symbol
Instant Blue mana symbol
Counter target spell.
Draw a card.

Didn't see an uncommon counterspell and this is a great nostalgic counterspell.

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Tue, 2011-06-21 23:01
Cthulhupwn
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Cthulhu eats YER MIND SOUL AND BRAIN.
He also makes for a kickbutt eldrazi deck.

Mon, 2011-06-20 15:24
elmdor
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I say no to Baru.
My suggestions for the reprints are:
Living Death, Cloud Pirates, Back to Nature. My choice for the planeswalker is Chandra.

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Mon, 2011-06-20 17:52
Darkerling
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Based off of what Guitarweeps said, I'd have to change my mind on Baru. I think he would fit nicely into the set design.

Mon, 2011-06-20 21:18
kikushadowblades
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My suggestions for reprints...
Infernal Medusa , Pirate Ship , and a revamped planeswalker for Nissa Revane (who might be a leader of the krosan elfs).

Baru deserves to show up in some form for this set, though I think a fresh card is in order.

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Mon, 2011-06-20 23:21
Picks-at-Flies
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I agree with Nissa.

Also, Brave the Elements (protection is so much stronger when monocolor is an options)
Gauntlets of Power fits the same idea.

Baru - I follow the trend that it would be great to have him back, but we don't need another pseudo-ability so it would have to be a redesign.

Tue, 2011-06-21 00:07
kiligir
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Been following this for a bit. I love what has been done, but I have to say that including Baru and the Grandeur mechanic would be a mistake. While he does fit the bill for a green legend from Dominaria, the other four colors get something awesome. Green always gets the short end of the stick anyway, so why give the other four colors something cool and new and then give green a barely playable reprint legend?

In terms of reprints, I'd like to see Venser back as a planeswalker. He makes sense for the setting (so would Karn, honestly.) I agree on needing another counterspell at uncommon, but I'd rather see Remand make a comeback. Also, I'd cry if Abyssal Gatekeeper didn't make it. Wouldn't have thought to suggest it, but I remember it being a favorite of mine back when Weatherlight was actually relevant.

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Tue, 2011-06-21 01:06
TheAmazingKamahl
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I say to reprint Chandra. She is versatile, as she doesn't need much backround to fit. Also, most of our red cards are shamanic and fiery.

Tue, 2011-06-21 02:42
Sewn-Eye
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I'm changing my vote from Ajani Vengeant to Garruk.

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Tue, 2011-06-21 04:54
Guitarweeps
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I don't want kiligir to have to cry.

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Tue, 2011-06-21 08:56
Xera_the_Enigma

for planeswalkers id say bolas.

as for baru. him with grandeur should be fine.

my reprints: 1st aphetto dredging works well with memorial and also refrences a part of dominaria (though im not sure how close the aphetto swamp is to otaria.) so it could fit flavorwise. my next reprint is nature's lore it helps baru's first ability and is one of my favorite ramp spells

Tue, 2011-06-21 13:56
lord_joakim
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I so agree with the reprint of Abyssal Gatekeeper.

Gravebane Zombie for a gimmick reprint like they did with Divine Offering in mbs?