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Sat, 2012-02-04 15:09
Decembra
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Wow, I wanted to jump in here but there's obviously a huge background story for Mirrodin/Phyrexia, which I know squat of.
Once/if I catch up on the story, then maybe I could give some input...
Although, I do want to note that GuitarWeeps stated that Puresteel is the Mirran's key to victory.
EDIT: Although I have no idea what the Puresteel mechanic does. The Original Post might need some updating, but if somebody else could post a list of the mechanics and the current goals I'd greatly appreciate it.

Sat, 2012-02-04 17:11
Ayxmirdyrer

As someone stated earlier, Urza killed many Phyrexians with his spiders, Karn would most likely remember that.

Spoiler:
Argent Spider 4 mana symbol
Artifact Creature -- Spider Blue mana symbol
Whenever ~ blocks or becomes blocked by a creature with infect, ~ gains deathtouch until end of turn.
1/4
"A slight variation on my creator's original design." --Karn

Tweak as you need.

Sat, 2012-02-04 23:04
Utheraptor
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Yes, Urza killed many lesser Phyrexians, but Negators are elite ones and praetors even more. The original design was not spiders, but scorpions and pumas, according to the book Time Streams.
Continuing in Kagerowrs's idea, what if Tezzeret somehow infected them? It would be a nice irony...

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Mon, 2012-02-06 14:53
Makuta Miserix
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Tezz killing a Praetor would certainly be a game changer in the war. Maybe he manages to implant puresteel inside one of them?

Mon, 2012-02-06 17:49
Decembra
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Ooh, would the Puresteel give them a change of heart - like, Bring them onto the Mirran's side?

Mon, 2012-02-06 18:10
Kagerowrs

Maybe one losing praetor decide to wait for the chance and betray their own kin?

Mon, 2012-02-06 18:40
Decembra
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Shocked Which Praetor joined the fight last? Is that known? Maybe they stay behind with the Corrupted Mirari, hoping that the Mirran will defeat the other Praetors - then they will defeat the Mirran by using the full power of the Mirari and have the plane to themselves?

Mon, 2012-02-06 21:37
Noahlotr
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Urabrask could always just decide to help the Mirran, I mean it's a little far fetched but he did turn a blind eye to the Mirran in the furnace layer. (Of course in this set, that never happened.)

Mon, 2012-02-06 21:51
Kagerowrs

Jin-Gitaxia might think that it would be wise to help mirran to clear up other praetor, then take over mirran for new phyrexia, with having him as a leader.

However, Urabrask certainly have more chance, he seems to care his passion then his phyrexian nature.

Mon, 2012-02-06 21:59
Decembra
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If we use what I suggested - a Praetor goes rogue - then maybe that Praetor's color will be the dominant color for the set?

Tue, 2012-02-07 03:04
Ayxmirdyrer

Urabrask seems to exhibit something the Phyrexians consider a fatal flaw- individuality.

Tue, 2012-02-07 03:25
Guitarweeps
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Hmmm... interesting discussion. Rouge Praetors could be interesting.

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Tue, 2012-02-07 09:25
Kagerowrs

Urabrask the Extreme Red mana symbolRed mana symbolRed mana symbolRed mana symbolRed mana symbol
Legendary Creature - Praetor Mythic Rare
(Mirran Alightment Symbol)
Haste, Double Strike
Whenever you casts a spell, you may deal 2 damage to target creature or player.
Whenever your opponent casts a spell, deal 2 damage to each creature they control.
4/4
"We do only what we want to do, and we will continue to do so, even it requires betraying our own nature."

Jin-Gitaxias, Grand Pefector 3 mana symbolBlue mana symbolBlue mana symbolBlue mana symbolBlue mana symbol
Legendary Creature - Praetor Mythic Rare
(No alightment symbol, if it has, half mirran - half phyrexian)
Flash, Shroud
Whenever you casts a spell, you may return target permanent to its owner's hand.
Whenever your opponent casts a spell, target a permanent they control, that permanent doesn't untap in next untap step.
5/4
"Others does not know how we should be and still argues. We knows better, and knows what should we do"

Using many colored mana symbol shows that they follows nature of their color more then their phyrexian nature, abandoning what they should do as a phyrexian, Since those two have highest chance of betraying Phyrexian Rank, either just to follow his emotion and passion (Urabrask), or follows perfection and possibilty that he wanted to thrived, without being restricted by phyrexian nature (Jin-Gitaxias), also allowing more focus to monocolor, if it would drop in standard. (Although current standard with SOM and Innistrad have plenty of mono red burn, which that Urabrask will easily break.)

Tue, 2012-02-07 09:29
Decembra
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@Kagerowrs - That Urabrask is freakin' extreme... 5 for a 4/4 haste doublestrike is already mean. Having another 2 good abilities with no cons is just madness - or Sparta.

Tue, 2012-02-07 10:33
Kagerowrs

Decembra, that Urabrask was balanced based on phyrexian obliterator without giving thought that Mono Red is much more appriciated then Mono Black. Maybe need to change it so it only have first strike.

Standard could change as Koth, Infernal Plunge, and if we count New Phyrexia - Geosurge would provide condition to drop Urabrask the Extreme fast, then start un-counterable burning. Comes with 4/4 haste double strike and locking opponent's creature down. Definitely extreme as his name suggests so. But does complete monored worth all the effort? I don't know because I'm really bad with standard.

Tue, 2012-02-07 12:06
Decembra
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I'm not much of a standard player myself...
Maybe we could balance him out between his abilities:
1. Make Urabrask's second ability do 1 damage to each creature your opponent controls.
2. Replace Doublestrike with something like "Urabrask deals double damage to creatures".

Now Urabrask does 4 damage to players with his power, 8 damage to creatures with his power, 2 damage to players with his first ability, 4 damage to to a single creature with his first ability and 2 damage to all your opponent's creatures with his second ability. And now he's more blockable, relying on burn spells to clear his path.

Tue, 2012-02-07 19:51
Kagerowrs

For Urabrask the Extreme on Modern case, it doesn't cut the justice, simply said 'it doesn't work as it should' just like Phyrexian Obliterator, Monored burn is too hard to build in Modern, Legacy burn can't utilize Urabrask the Extreme on anyway.

Spoiler:
Elesh Norn, Frantic Cenobite 7 mana symbolWhite mana symbolWhite mana symbol
Legendary Creature - Praetor Mythic Rare
(Phyrexia Alightment Watermark)
First Strike, Vigilance
-Rethinking.-
5/6
“This isn’t over Urabrask, I will make you regret for your treacherous betrayal!”

Jin-Gitaxias, the Perfector 3 mana symbolBlue mana symbolBlue mana symbolBlue mana symbolBlue mana symbol
Legendary Creature - Praetor Mythic Rare
(No Alightment Watermark)
Flash, Shroud
Whenever you casts a spell, you may return target permanent to its owner’s hand.
Whenever your opponent casts a spell, target a permanent they control, that permanent doesn’t untap in next untap step.
5/4
“Others does not know how we should be and still argues. We knows better, and knows what should we do”

Sheoldred, the Last One 5 mana symbolBlack mana symbolBlack mana symbol
Legendary Creature - Praetor Mythic Rare
(Phyrexian Alightment Watermark)
Death Touch, Lifelink
Whenever Sheoldred, the Last One attacks, destroy target permanent, and return it onto your field.
5/5
“This war, will never end.”

Urabrask the Extreme Red mana symbolRed mana symbolRed mana symbolRed mana symbolRed mana symbol
Legendary Creature - Praetor Mythic Rare
(Mirran Alightment Watermark)
Haste, Double Strike
Whenever you casts a spell, you may deal 2 damage to target creature or player.
Whenever your opponent casts a spell, deal 2 damage to each creature they control.
4/4
“We do only what we want to do, and we will continue to do so, even it requires betraying our own nature.”

Vorinclex, the Trapped 6 mana symbolGreen mana symbolGreen mana symbol
Legendary Creature - Praetor Mythic Rare
(Phyrexian Alightment Watermark)
Trample, Hexproof
Whenever Vorinclex, the Trapped attacks, untap all lands you control and tap all lands you don’t control.
6/6
Even after trapped, he is still the most dangerous phyrexian alive.

Edit: Added idea for the Praetors.

Tue, 2012-02-07 21:32
Utheraptor
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@Kagerowrs - Jin-Gitaxias will never betray Phyrexia. On the other side, Urabrask will have no other choice due to events in Scars block.
EDIT: Also, as Guitarweeps stated earlier, we have not enough slots for all five praetors.

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Tue, 2012-02-07 23:22
Kagerowrs

What exactly happened during Scars block that stops Urabrask from betraying it?
Sheoldred should be in for sure...

@Utheraptor : He didn't actually betrayed the Phyrexia in that case, he just want other nuisances to be removed, balancing between Phyrexia and Mirran until he could takeover both at once and be done with it.

Wed, 2012-02-08 04:30
Ayxmirdyrer

I think Utheraptor is saying Urabrask has no other choice than to betray Phyrexia (personally, I think he remembers his old life, at least a little bit)

I have to agree that Jin-Gitaxias wouldn't betray Phyrexia, but I may have a loophole:

Spoiler:
Hypothetical Storyline

Jin-Gitaxias found The Mirari, he spent months researching the artifact, but he couldn't figure out how to use it. He locked himself in his lab and kept its discovery a secret, though the other praetors may sense something suspicious. After many months of fruitless research, he had some success, and gradually, he has been able to draw out more power from it, but the power of the artifact is strong, and he is battling for his sanity. He hides his condition, and his underlings still serve him unquestioningly, but eventually, he will break.

Spoiler:
Jin-Gitaxias, The Mad 3 mana symbolBlue mana symbolBlue mana symbolBlue mana symbol
Legendary Creature -- Praetor M Mana for MTG Extra
Flash, Shroud
When you cast Jin-Gitaxias, The Mad, shuffle your hand into your library, and draw 7 cards.
At the beginning of your upkeep, draw a card, then exile a card from your hand.
5/4

Also, maybe a Reshape style ability for Urabrask, since he does control the forges?

Wed, 2012-02-08 04:43
Kagerowrs

Why not Phyrexian - Obliterator style burn creature for Urabrask? I felt that five red mana would be enough symbolizes he is completely driven by his emotion and individualism, instead of his phyrexian nature,

Wed, 2012-02-08 05:48
Utheraptor
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It do not flavorfuly fit here. If Urabrask want to survive (I suppose he want), he will need some very good plan, not śimply his feelings.

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Wed, 2012-02-08 14:46
Kagerowrs

@Utheraptor, Again, What Urabrask did during story line until Mirrodin Besieged that would make him thinking that he want to survive? He might just changed the side because Phyrexian and Mirran seems pretty equal and Mirran side fit more of his taste, which is individualism and Freedom, Emotion that Phyrexia despise.

Wed, 2012-02-08 12:06
Guitarweeps
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The Jin-Gitaxias idea is interesting. The Mirari can curropt anyone from their ideals.

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Wed, 2012-02-08 12:15
Decembra
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And if Jin-Gitaxias isn't favored as the corrupt Praetor, we can have Jin-Gitaxias lose a few marbles because of the Mirari, but have the Mirari "desiring" for Urabrask to seek out its power and fully 'corrupt' him.

Wed, 2012-02-08 16:12
Utheraptor
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If you are asking why Urabras wants to be alive, it is easy. He is a living thing and his instincts tells this to him.
If you are asking what he did in Mirrodin Besieged that he would need to avoid other Phyrexians, it is complicated a little. MTG Salvation Wiki says:
"After Phyrexia's conquest of Mirrodin, Urabrask allowed the mirran survivors to take refuge in the furnace layer of the planet, which is controlled by him. This is due to the fact that he is aligned with the colour of emotion and freedom, granting him enough empathy to not (actively) destroy the Mirrans. This, coupled with sheer dislike of the other factions, led him to seal the Furnace Layer of the planet to other Phyrexian factions. For the most part, they don't seem to care either, with the exception of the Blue aligned Progress Engine, which is paranoid about this."

And more and more refugees are coming each day. Urabrask is standing right next to a straight betrayal of Phyrexia. And how Phyrexians are punisging for tratory? Yes, by capital punishment. But he is a praetor for a reason, so he most likely do not want to betray Phayrexia.
After a time, he will need to choose: Destroy Mirrans or join them. because he is very high Phyrexian, he wiil not join them. He was created for killing Mirrans. So he will destroy them.
I think.

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Wed, 2012-02-08 16:26
Decembra
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@Utheraptor: So what you're saying is that he is capable of betrayal, but he also HAS to kill Mirrans... well that's the whole idea with my suggestion.
Summary:
Urabrask betrays the Phyrexians, helps the Mirran win, then because he is a Phyrexian by nature he gives all the survivors a choice - join him or die.

Can always add a twist with the Mirari to make Urabrask the strongest Praetor.

Wed, 2012-02-08 17:12
Guitarweeps
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We could have Urabrask exiled from the Phyrexian heirarchy for allowing the Mirrans refuge. This would then compell him to fight against Phyrexia as exile would certainly mean they want to destroy him. I would think he would remain unaligned at this point. I do not think that the Mirari should play into Urabrusk as it tinkering with relics doesn't seem his thing.

I do like the idea of Jin-Gitaxias getting taken down by the Mirari though. He would also remain unaligned.

This would also give explaination why red and blue have fewer Phyrexian aligned cards in the previous sets. Civil war among the Phyrexian heirarchy would also give the advantage to the Mirrans. I will see if we can make room for three Praetors on the Phyrexian side and if not we can discuss storyline implications or possibly redistributing the Mirran/Phyrexian breakdown.

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Wed, 2012-02-08 18:23
Kagerowrs

@Utheraptor - Isn't "After phyrexia's conquest' means that part of story starts in New Phyrexia?

We can also make specific faction for Urabrask.

In case that happened in Mirrodin Besieged, Urabrask might well as make new faction starring both Phyrexian and Mirran population, and against both, or against 'Majorly' Phyrexia and Minorly Mirran.

Since he likes individualism, and he already said mirrans are already half way to perfection, and only need words to perfect them, that might suggest that he want to be a leader of mirran, thus making them perfect through his guidance. Barbed Battlegear, although we all know what that 'Glorious Word' truly means, that doesn't change that we can alter it. That also puts him on complete opposite of Jin-Gitaxias.

Wed, 2012-02-08 19:24
Utheraptor
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@Kagerowrs - Yes, this happens in New Phyrexia storyline. If we altered the end of war to victory of Mirrans, he will ahve no reason to betray phayrexia. I didn't notice this at first, but it seems clear now...

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Wed, 2012-02-08 22:59
Decembra
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@Guitarweeps - I like where you're going with this. Urabrask and Jin-Gitaxias unaligned sounds cool.

Wed, 2012-02-08 23:13
Guitarweeps
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We can easily rewrite the "after Phyrexian's conquest" to something that works within our story.
Either way, I am thinking that they should be unaligned and not their own faction. Partly because I think that would be trying to hard, partly because I don't think they would truly ally with the Mirrans, but also because this set is supposed to represent the final days of the war and they would have just defacted or gone crazy; however we take it.

So on to the card space. There is technically not enough room at mythic for five Praetors but I think we need to have them all. Especially since the first two sets refer to them all. Do you think we can do justice at rare? I think not. I can move some artifact mythics to other colors, the multicolored one can move to a mono color, might scrap the Phyrexian planeswalker idea, I can add one more mythic (some sets add an extra one), and then the rest could be unaligned or Mirran.

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Wed, 2012-02-08 23:44
Kagerowrs

We can just Kill Vorinclex in story and make a Rare card representing his death (or tomb, like tomb of yawgmoth.)
If one of Praetor become a planeswalker, they might just leave Mirrodin and find someplace else to restart, for that, still the Urabrask or Jin-Gitaxias have high chance. And if that happens, they would not need to actually appear on this set.

And again, Urabrask might just want to do anything he wants, without neither Other phyrexian faction or mirran restricting, or stopping him. Slag Fiend He definitely don't like any other Praetor faction. And seems somewhat fascinated and impressed about something that isn't a phyrexian. Rusted Slasher, Barbed Battlegear. And remembering that for Phyrexian, Individualism is just simply a defact (like case of Xantcha) Priest of Urabrask thinking that Entire Praetor faction Urabrask leads is full of passion, freedom, and individualism, Urabrask doesn't fit there in first place.

"Urza included Xantcha's heartstone as part of his -Karn's- construction", And there is no one restricts any praetor from what to do.

Thu, 2012-02-09 15:00
Guitarweeps
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Good point about the death. We could kill some off and show that in other ways.

EDIT: Some good reading here about New Phyrexia. We can take certain things from this to develop our story to be as accurate as it could be. Here are my general thoughts on the Praetors:

Elesh Norn - The ideals of the Machine Orthodoxy run quite in line with traditional Phyrexian thought. Elesh Norn would be a good Praetor represent Phyrexia in a card. I think though that we should up the number of white Phyrexian cards if that is the case.

Jin-Gitaxias - He values new ideals and has some disdain not only for pretty much all the other Praetors but even towards Yawgmoth, the original Father of Machines. I think that with or without the role of the Mirari Jin-Gitaxias should fall out from the Phyrexian heirarchy. He would fall out of favor with Elesh Norn because of his rejection of the "religion". He would beleive Vorinclex to be a failure because of his evolution and survival of the fittest concept. And since Sheoldred follows the same ideals but with darker means then Jin-Gitaxias believes her to be following the same path into foolishness. Jin-Gitaxias believed himself to be leading a "new breed" of Phyrexia while the others hold Phyrexia back in their old ways; ways which led to their past defeats.

Sheoldred - Her methods and beliefs are very traditional Phyrexia so she would certainly be our main proponent of the Phyrexian side of the war.

Vorinclex - Was the first to attack and values predation. He and his minions invaded the Tangle with one thing in mind: to remove all the unworthy. However, the Tangle is home of the Sylvok outcast and soon to be Sylvok savior Melira. She is immune to the phyrexian contagion, and with the help of Thrun, they are trying to figure a way to transfer that immunity. In the end they are able to eliminate the phyrexian affliction and defeat Vorinclex. This sends a shock of awe throughout the entire Phyrexian heirarchy as they realize that domination of Mirrodin is going to be a much harder battle than anticipated. The defeat of Vorinclex casts doubt within Urabrask about the ascendence of Phyrexia and disdain within Jin-Gitaxias about the wisdom of Phyrexia teachings.

Urabrask - Although Urabrask headed the fight against the Mirrans in the beginning, after the defeat of Vorinclex, he developed both admiration and empathy for the Mirrans, as well as doubt of the actual power of Phyrexia. Allowing the Mirrans to take refuge in the forge he cut himself off from the rest of the Phyrexian heirarchy to contemplate his next move. Phyrexia countered with excommunication. Urabrask and the remaining Phyrexians in the forge focus their efforts on creation of grand artifacts and structures in the forge. They prefer to leave the Mirrans alone and the Phyrexians out vice choosing a path. Instead they just generally follow their own whims. Urabrask is not much for politics.

So, in summary, Elesh Norn and Sheoldred would be made Phyrexian cards, Jin-Gitaxias and Urabrask would be made into unaligned cards, and Vorinclex would have a card which represented his death, memorial, or something simlilar.

What do you think?

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Thu, 2012-02-09 16:08
Kagerowrs

@Guitarweeps - I agree with you, much better then mine. I have some idea on card representing death of Vorinclex, and New idea on Urabrask and Jin-Gitaxias.

I still believe unaligned praetor having lots of colored mana in their cost in better, I felt it symbolizes their following to their nature of color, not phyrexian nature (which is black / colorless.)

Thu, 2012-02-09 16:48
Guitarweeps
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I would leave the colored mana of Praetors at three or four. I wouldn't go more or less than that.

Also, we have a free slot for mythic black and blue cards. I can move the Black mana symbolGreen mana symbol Praetor to a white mythic for Elesh Norn. I will move an artifact mythic to red for Urabrask and we have all our Praetors. We even still have room for the Phyrexian aligned planeswalker. The card represented Vorinclex death/defeat/memory will have to be rare.

EDIT: I am thinking that we should move the Mirran/Phyrexian ratior to 80/20 vice 90/10. Also thinking that colored hybrid artifacts should be accessible by both factions.

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Fri, 2012-02-10 16:45
Kagerowrs

While thinking about Vorinclex card, I thought about new cycle, replacing X/H cycle in New Phyrexia.

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Frantic Crisis White mana symbol
Instant Common
(Phyrexian aligned)
Target defending creature gets +4/+4
Add 1 mana symbol to your mana pool.
"Phyrexia will not falter, and it will not fail!" - Elesh Norn

Mental Rejection Blue mana symbol
Instant Uncommon
(Unaligned / Gitaxian aligned)
Counter target spell unless its owner pays 1 mana symbol.
Add 1 mana symbol to your mana pool.
"And no, we are different. Your way does not work against us."

Mindbreak Extraction Black mana symbol
Instant Uncommon
(Phyrexian alighned)
Target creature gets -2/-2 until end of turn.
Add 1 mana symbol to your mana pool.
"Everything, will be returned soon enough. And imperfect world will fall."

Extended Flare Red mana symbol
Instant Common
(Unaligned / Urabrask aligned)
Deal 2 damage to target creature or player.
Add 1 mana symbol to your mana pool.
"If word does not fit you well, how about this?"

~ Green mana symbol
Instant Common
(Mirran alighned)
Choose a permanent with counter on it, then add or remove each another counter of a kind already there.
Add 1 mana symbol to your mana pool.

Fri, 2012-02-10 01:13
Ayxmirdyrer

Gitaxias is about creating the prefect Phyrexia; he may oppose certain Phyrexians, but he would never oppose Phyrexia. I believe the best course of action is to make him either Phyrexian or insane. Other than that, I like this.
I did find it odd that the article says that the memory of the previous Phyrexia both was and wasn't built into the oil(In a way that contradicts itself).

Fri, 2012-02-10 05:53
Kagerowrs

Some ideas.

Faction
New Phyrexia (Elesh Norn, Sheoldred)
Jin-Gitaxias
Urabrask
Mirran (Karn, Venser, Koth, Elspeth)

New Phyrexia is hostile against Mirran and Urabrask, Friendly toward Jin-Gitaxias.

Jin-Gitaxias is hostile against Urabrask and Mirran, Ignoring New Phyrexia.

Urabrask is hostile against Jin-Gitaxias, Ignoring New Phyrexia, Particially allied with Mirran (Specifically Red faction on Mirran) / or interested in Karn that now he is free. (Interested in his core and his origin, which is Phyrexian Xantcha's heartstone which allows him to be free and individual. Of course, Urabrask only knows that it is Phyrexian Heartstone.)

Mirran is hostile against New Phyrexia and Jin-Gitaxias, Particially on arrangement with Urabrask.

Vorinclex... is Dead, still thinking about card to represent his death.

And Urabrask faction never had direct battle with Mirran until New Phyrexia, as far as I know.

Fri, 2012-02-10 21:40
Utheraptor
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@Kagerowrs - If Karn is free, Venser is dead. He ultimately sacrificed himself in the "Quest for Karn" novel, replacing Karn's corrupted heart with his own.

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Sat, 2012-02-11 03:04
Kagerowrs

@Utheraptor - In Mirrodin Pure, Venser found a way to cure Karn without killing himself, with help of Tezzeret. Well, that is what I read from this thread before.

I'm not sure where is that exact comment.

Sat, 2012-02-11 05:20
Guitarweeps
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It is in the first post under current storyline. Venser and Tezzeret work together to create puresteel which is derived from darksteel and etherium. This metal is extremely strong and possesses a magical purity which repels the phyrexian contagion. They use this to infuse Karn and repel the infection.

Of course Tezzeret doesn't do this out of the goodness of his heart. He only wants to find the Mirari which Karn tells him is in the Praetor's grasp being used to further their cause.

Venser and Karn use the puresteel to help wage the war while Tezzeret searches for the Mirari. Tezz has been working with Sheoldred, Vorinclex, and Elesh Norn and knows they don't have it. Urabrask is busy in his furnace so he concludes that Jin-Gitaxias must have it for his own purposes and goes after him.

This could all take place while Melira is leading the fight against Vorinclex. The defeat of Vorinclex and the simultaneous redemption of Karn could be what sets the course of the war in the Mirrans favor and sends a shockwave through the Phyrexian heirarchy driving Urabrask to doubt and pull into his furnace and cause Jin-Gitaxias to declare New Phyrexia to be weak and start building his own Phyrexia apart from the other Praetors (using the Mirari of course).

Also, I am thinking that we should go ahead and leave the Praetors with phyrexian watermarks. Especially Jin-Gitaxias since he would be building his own Phyrexia (Jin-Phyrexia???). Urabrask may have become secluded but I am not convinced that he would just outright abondon Phyrexia that quickly.

EDIT: I am thinking that since the set is taking place around this time frame at the turn of the war (meaning it tells how the plane BECOMES Mirrodin Pure rather than show us Mirrodin Pure) that we can have a little more Phyrexian presence then I initially was going for. With that said I think we should have a few living weapon cards. It is a cool mechanic and shows off the strength and flavor of the Phyrexians really well.

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Sat, 2012-02-11 06:05
Kagerowrs

Maybe Mirran could find themselves a way to use (or create) living weapon, it doesn't have to be black germ, there has to be a way to do so.

For Urabrask, I think it is possible while he will make arrangement with Karn (Which Urabrask would believe him as Particial Phyrexian due to his nature of heart.), he could just recruits any mirran and upgrade his own phyrexian forces so he can expand power he can wield, He doesn't have any good term in case of politics, and he is easily influenced by his emotion. Jin-Gitaxias should have modified phyrexian mark (which is somewhat different then original phyrexia and new phyrexia)

And Update on Urabrask

Urabrask the Extreme 2 mana symbolRed mana symbolRed mana symbolRed mana symbolRed mana symbol
Legendary Creature - Praetor Mythic Rare
Haste, Double Strike
Whenever an artifact comes into play under your control, deal 4 damage to target creature or player
~ (replanning)
4/4

Sat, 2012-02-11 12:42
Decembra
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"Jin-Phyrexia" -> Gitaxia?

Sat, 2012-02-11 17:39
Ayxmirdyrer

All the praetors have their own ideas of what Phyrexia should be like. My suggestion was that Gitaxias was driven insane by The Mirari so that we would have a weakened Phyrexia that the Mirrans could then gain an upper hand.

Also, Venser gave Karn his spark (because somehow Karn had lost his) in Quest for Karn. This part of the story is a contradiction of previous lore; because he states that his heart is tied to his spark. Yawgmoth vivisected planeswalkers looking for the organ that gave them the spark; and he failed to find it. Anyways, how is Karn going to be a planeswalker if he doesn't have a spark? The wiki never says how(or that) Karn lost his spark anyways, so the question may be irrelevant.

Sun, 2012-02-12 21:14
Ayxmirdyrer

Ok, I don't know if you need any more, but here's a nasty Phyrexian spell:

Perfection Within 3 mana symbolWhite mana symbolWhite mana symbol
Sorcery Blue mana symbol
Exile target creature with a -1/-1 counter on it and remove all -1/-1 counters from it. Then put a 0/0 artifact creature token into play with +1/+1 counters on it equal to the number of counters removed this way.

"Get out of there and help defend Phyrexia" --Elesh Norn, Grand Cenobite

Mon, 2012-02-13 00:52
Guitarweeps
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That is cool... however we are not going to use +1/+1 counters in the set because we are not mixing them with -1/-1 (aside form possibly one rare or mythic card).

EDIT: Could just be an X/X creature.

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Wed, 2012-02-15 17:10
Kagerowrs

Several ideas.

Spoiler:
Coerce Red mana symbolRed mana symbol
Sorcery Uncommon
Any player may have Coerce deal 3 damage to him or her. If no one does, draw 2 cards.
"I am desperate. And I will do anything to remove this desperation." - Urabrask

Oversurge Red mana symbolRed mana symbolRed mana symbol
Sorcery Uncommon
Add Red mana symbolRed mana symbolRed mana symbolRed mana symbolRed mana symbol to your mana pool. Spend this mana only to play artifact or creature spell.
Draw a card.
"We are not making time, we are making an answer." - Grendeu, Furnace General

Wed, 2012-02-15 17:43
The1337
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Just saying something. At the card store I play at (DKA prerelease) I saw a (misprinted?) Pristine Talisman from Mirrodin Pure. That marks the only time I have seen a $20 common.

That just happened.

Wed, 2012-02-15 18:06
Kagerowrs

@The1337 - It was a fake preivew card order to confuse people that Mirrodin Pure might comeout. Still. That card fits everywhere. I'm sure it will find it's position in this set too.