Fri, 2011-03-18 01:20
Pichoro's picture

This is one of those threads I was never sure I'd have to write, and now that it's time, I'm not really sure what I should say. I faked it once, just shy of a year ago - but that message was meant to be cold and quick, as it was part of an April Fool's joke. This is no joke, though.

I've been here for a long time; mine was the 14th user account created on this forum. I'm almost the oldest active member here, surpassed only by Twan himself and RoaTheEternal. I was the first user to become a moderator, the first besides Twan to have administrator powers, and one of the first template developers to be given access to the source. I've been responsible for coding the "official" Magic templates since the time of Future Sight, have offered no fewer than 59 custom templates for Magic and it's related game files, brought three other games to MSE (Hecatomb, World of Warcraft and Mausoleum), and have long managed many other templates that were created by other people. I think it no exaggeration to say that today, there is not a template in existence that has not been touched, directly or indirectly, by me and my coding methods. I've watched MSE grow from 24 packages (games, styles, mana fonts, and other stuff) to over 450 packages today. I pioneered the foiling method used in Magic templates today, created overlay hybrids, and have routinely did what others considered to be the impossible in Magic templates.

On the forum, I pioneered the creation of a storage location for templates, which led to the creation of the pifro forum, which I am an administrator of. I instituted cataloging of our custom templates, made a start on a system for sharing Articles on this site, and was the first and primary planner for the Custom Sets section that is now coming to fruition. I've held bots at bay to the best of my ability for years now. When the spambot "bombing" took place, I didn't do much cleaning. Instead, I powered up two moderators that are still with us to help, and immediately went to work on creating the verification system that has protected his place since.

Many things have been said about me - comments have ranged from almost claiming me to be a hero who is near single handedly responsible for what this forum is to day, to claiming that I am abusive, tyrannical, conceited, arrogant, and power hungry. Nevertheless, I've managed this forum since January 2007 while managing to only ban four users. I think that fairly impressive.

I've created and released seven Magic sets.

I'm usually modest, but I think I can get away with letting that slide for today. A happy smile Because today, I am resigning all positions. I will no longer be a moderator or administrator of this or any other forum. I will cease to be a template developer as well. I am done.

I've been here for so very long that frankly, I cannot imagine what my life will be like after this. MSE has been such a large part of my life for years now. I cannot even begin to guess how many times I've loaded the Recent Posts page on this site - more than anyone else, I am sure, probably upwards of 50 times a day. I've visited it almost daily since it was created, even when I've been on vacation, or so sick that those who love me have threatened to call an ambulance.

But now, I'm tired. I've become weary of the constant fighting to do what's right. I'm tired of fending off bots and people who would take MSE and do wrong with it. I'm tired of people who can't read rules. I'm tired of fighting with other staff members for what I know is in the best interest of the forum, as it's become increasing clear that I no longer have their support. Altogether, I'm just tired. So, I'm stepping down, at last. I cannot imagine I will stop visiting this forum - it's far too much of a habit for me stop checking in cold turkey. But I expect I will be much quieter from here on out, as my natural state in internet forums was always to be more of a lurker than a frequent poster.

I may very well log out and not log back in, so contacting me by PM will probably not work. However, my sourceforge e-mail will remain in effect - I will still be available to talk at pichoro at users dot sourceforge dot net.

Fri, 2011-03-18 01:23
windandfire's picture

We'll miss you A sad 'frowny'

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Fri, 2011-03-18 02:02
kiligir's picture

Sad to hear, for sure. I admired your blunt approach to moderation. Now you look forward to the prospect of having to fill up a ton of free time. For whatever you decide to do, good luck Pich. A happy smile

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Fri, 2011-03-18 02:04
Friendly MSE Designer
Guitarweeps's picture

I do hope to see you around here still. I have enjoyed having you on the forums our conversations ranging from Magic history, design, Wilmington, world cuisine, teaching, and beer. Winking smiley

I have appreciated your professional conduct as an administrator, your ideas on improving this forum, as well as your obvious talent in design. You are very creative and I am sure you will continue to use that skill in some way. I can honestly say that you are the main reason that this forum maintained the atmosphere needed for me to be a part of it for so long... although not as long as you A happy smile. I am admittedly a little worried as you have left big shows to fill, but I wish for you to enjoy your new step and new freedom. Best of luck.

I really have much more to say but will probably send a message in the case you don't log back in. But lastly, thanks.

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Fri, 2011-03-18 02:24
Jéské Couriano
Jéské Couriano's picture

*sigh* You were one of the best addies/mods - on any site I'm aware of - I've ever come across. Every tongue-lashing I got from you I deserved, and while I understand nothing lasts forever, I wish it would have run longer.

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Fri, 2011-03-18 02:30
Pichoro's picture

I hope what you remember from me will not be the tongue-lashings, Jeske. Perhaps instead you'll remember that I've never bothered to copy and paste the accents from your name? lol

I've carved my MSE installation up now, and dropped it down to 103 packages. It is strangely simplified. And empty. A happy smile

Fri, 2011-03-18 02:44
Jéské Couriano
Jéské Couriano's picture

Nah, everyone neglects the acutes in my name. Stick out your tongue

I'll remember you most for your fairness.

Ceterum censeo Bolasinem esse delendam.
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Fri, 2011-03-18 03:07
frederickwaffles's picture

I'm sad that your leaving; even though I've only known you for a while(or known you've existed, but you've helped me understand the rules a lot better. If it weren't for you, I'd probably have been suspended 40 different times. In you honor, this card.

Pichoro WGURB

Legendary Creature - Human Moderator

Pichoro has odds of dying: 1:1


Fri, 2011-03-18 05:26
Shiv2503's picture

I'll miss you.

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Fri, 2011-03-18 05:40

I'll miss you too, Pichoro. Thank you.

Fri, 2011-03-18 10:38
Disposable Hero
Disposable Hero's picture

Bye, Pich. Everyone will miss you. Thank you for believing in me as a mod.

Fri, 2011-03-18 10:57
jrzman's picture

Agreed. I know we've butted heads several times over the years, but there was nothing malicious from me. Just someone who failed to see the opposite side of the coin sometimes.

You will be missed.

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Fri, 2011-03-18 11:36
Pichoro's picture

I hope you know I never felt any malice towards you either, jrzman. All of my activities were simply for the best of the community - that was all there ever was to it.

Fri, 2011-03-18 13:31
RoaTheEternal's picture

This is, to say the least, big.

Others have already gone over how much of an impact you've made on the community, so I'll pass on the praise.

However, I do have to ask what is going to happen to the "How To Template" article series you'd planned as well as the template position hint list you'd been maintaining on pifro.

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Fri, 2011-03-18 15:12
monkeychewtoy's picture

I always feared this day would come. I hoped and hoped against it, but despite some superhuman feats, you're still human. I know there's only so much a person can take, so let me use this time to applaud you for tolerating so much, for so long. You've accomplished so much, and really, you've touched the lives of untold hundreds by providing them a platform to unleash their creativity.

Truly, you are a mod among men. Winking smiley

I'd say that I'm worried about our future without you, but the truth is we have a great group of mods to life your mantle. And honestly, if we can't hold things together without you, then we don't deserve you.

I hope you enjoy your lowered stress levels. Peace be with you, as they say.

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Fri, 2011-03-18 15:20
Balaam's picture

Yo man, not much to say. Stay cool.

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Fri, 2011-03-18 15:57
Pichoro's picture

Roa - I'm not going through with either of them. I'm turning absolutely everything over. I also have no intention of maintaining any templates. That's not to say that I'll stop editing - but I believe from here on out, the edits will be kept to myself.

monkeychewtoy - I thought of you as I was writing this, because of your recent confusion, thinking I was stepping down during a previous announcement about restructuring the forums following the upgrade.

I truly do hope the community will do fine without me. I'll be watching.

Fri, 2011-03-18 16:06
hooliganj's picture

I know I haven't been here very long, so all I can say is I hope I wasn't too much of a pain in the ---.

:salutes: Thank you for all the advice, sarge.

De Chelonian Mobile.
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Fri, 2011-03-18 17:51

bye pichoro, hope to see you sticking around for a while.

thanks for giving this community only the best youve had to offer.

Fri, 2011-03-18 18:31
Nikeyeia's picture

Woah, all of a sudden.

Well, s'ppose that's it. It was nice having you here. Thanks for everyting you've done for the community etc. etc.
Make sure to drop by some time and comment on some threads or whatever.


Fri, 2011-03-18 19:42
elmdor's picture

windandfire wrote:
We'll miss you :-(

This. Shocked

Please stay here as a regular user!

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Fri, 2011-03-18 19:43
A Tactical Waffle
A Tactical Waffle's picture


Well, I think I speak for all of us when I say you will be missed.

Now you have to tell us who your second account is.

"If the world was perfect, it wouldn't be."
-Yogi Berra

For Those Starting A New Set - READ IT

Fri, 2011-03-18 20:23

when a mighty person like Pichoro leaves he would never beforgotten no matter how little or in his case big they have done it still makes us think of all his good times talking to him.

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Fri, 2011-03-18 20:25
New Kind of Christ
New Kind of Christ's picture

You know, although I know this isn't true, I wish deep down that this is an april fools joke. But it isn't funny so it is obviously not.


Fri, 2011-03-18 20:53
Pichoro's picture

My secondary accounts are de-powered as well. Their names were Hexfire and Contingency.

Fri, 2011-03-18 21:24
New Kind of Christ
New Kind of Christ's picture

Your name doesn't look the same without "Administrator" under it.

Fri, 2011-03-18 22:10
Lord of 13
Lord of 13's picture

While I'm sad to see you leave, I'm curious as to what your "secret accounts" were... or were they just Hexfire and Contingency? I don't recall either of them ever posting, but I could be easily mistaken.

A quick forum search reveals that Hexfire posted once in one of the April Fool's threads, and was verified as a user after the Spam Tsunami, but Contingency has never posted.

Blood is thicker than water, but politics are even thicker than blood.
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Fri, 2011-03-18 22:30
Nerameshu's picture

You know, Pich, for the longest time, I thought you were THE developer.

I know it was just a delusion, not looking into the forums for a long time after I discovered the gem you helped to shape into MSE, but with all the templating and other work you've done, it feels to me like MSE is losing its step-father. Or uncle, or whatever you'd consider yourself.

It sucks that people haven't treated you better during your time here, but I, for one, hope you will grace us with your skills again in the future.

Until that untold future, best of luck, and the happiest of life.

Mind Mages
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Modding since 11-05-12

Fri, 2011-03-18 23:42
frederickwaffles's picture

This thread was an isntant success with reason. I'm really sad your leaving! Oh, and if you are leaving, than this is my last time to ask you. What does your icon mean? Mine is Aocalypse Hyra.

Fri, 2011-03-18 23:53
Anuttymous's picture

I cried.
Wasn't this, I was watching something on TV, but that's being picky.

Not much worth saying from me.


Good job.

P.S. I hadn't even noticed the lack of red writing beneath your name.

P.P.S. Alt Gr + e = é

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Fri, 2011-03-18 23:56
Picks-at-Flies's picture

I think it's right that everyone moves on at some point, and I'll trust that this is the moment for you. I hope that in years to come you will remember that you stewarded MSE into something special, both in terms of the depth of the templates and the forums that went beyond supporting them to a full community. I cannot thank you enough for your help templating, from the actual help when I started, the code I borrowed and just your willingness to be a wall while I got my head straight. MSE has made Rage playtesting incredibly easy and I couldn't have done it without you*.

Thank you Pichoro, and I will miss you. Although I hope that you still visit from time to time.

* Not ignoring everyone else who helped

Sat, 2011-03-19 08:27
Ivory Gate of Dreams
Ivory Gate of Dreams's picture

Sorry that we didn't really get more o' a chance to get to know each other. Still, it was nice to meet and make your acquaintance, even if but for a short while. Take care out there, Pich. Hope to see you drop in from time to time. But I understand your reasonings behind it, as I've been there myself a few years ago.

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Sat, 2011-03-19 14:46
frederickwaffles's picture

I hope you change your mind and come back to MSE A happy smile. But if you don't, I'm happy for you*.

*That wasn't meant as an insult.

Mon, 2011-03-21 23:19

Thanks, Pich. A happy smile

Tue, 2011-03-22 00:53
frederickwaffles's picture

Other people have already said this, but your name looks so wierd without the administrator under it.

Tue, 2011-03-22 02:40
Neko_Asakami's picture


Thanks for everything. Best of luck with whatever you do next, hopefully it will be as successful as MSE.


Tue, 2011-03-22 03:07
psoas's picture

I have just started posting on these forums but have been using MSE for a while now. It is strange to say that I have never met you but because of your constant advice and help (and no, you are not a tyrant at all) that I feel that I will miss you deeply as well. It feels very weird but I wish you were not leaving us all behind... I mean, look at what you built pretty much single handedly... I do not see anyone with as much contribution to MSE or the forums/website as you, nor will there probably ever be anyone with as much. Thank you so much for all of your help and advice to all matters MSE...



Tue, 2011-03-22 23:18
A Tactical Waffle
A Tactical Waffle's picture

For the record psoas, he didn't make MSE, twan did. He did great things with the forum and templates and has been a help to all of us.

"If the world was perfect, it wouldn't be."
-Yogi Berra

For Those Starting A New Set - READ IT

Wed, 2011-03-23 02:00
Vergalon's picture

I still remember getting scolded by you and Idle Muse when I first joined. I kinda had it coming, and know much more about design and forum conduct now than then.
I hope my own presence on the forums has been at least neutral, though I hope I've been helpful.
Still haven't finished a full set. I guess I'm too much of a perfectionist in this aspect I guess.
Gah, sorry for reminiscing there.

I do hope you'll stay a little active, though it's selfish. I do know you'll be missed.

Wed, 2011-03-23 22:54
frederickwaffles's picture

I know I've already posted on this thread many times, but I am so sorry to hear your going! I would be suspended if it weren't for you. You tought me the rules in a short efficient manner. Hope you stay here as a regular user or atleast check the forums every once and a while.

Thu, 2011-03-24 00:03
pantherpage's picture

Pichoro, thanks you for your dedication and the tireless effort you have put forth.
I may be one of the baby members to the site, but have enjoyed being here.
I think you have put the BAR very high and whom ever should follow may find it tough to match.


Thu, 2011-03-24 02:57
ocb777's picture

Well that'll teach me to read something other then template dev and random sets. I was just informed by Pich he resigned.

I have no idea what the future will hold for MSE. I know there are some capable hands here you are leaving things with. But it's like "Two and a Half Men" without Charlie Sheen. Is it possible? But it will never be the same.

Love Pichoro or hate him, in MSE he will live forever, even if it someday is just tales told to scare newbs. Big smile

Thank you for your years of service. Thank you for putting me in my place when I was being a jerk, and thank you for helping me with my templates even though.

In whatever you do, may tiger's blood coarse through your veins and power your winning.

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Fri, 2011-03-25 00:23
Themasterofphyrexia1's picture

man, its going to suck, You had such good ideas Pichoro

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Fri, 2011-03-25 02:08

I haven't posted in years but I thought that I would give my input on this.

I'm sad too see you go, you have always been a good mod in my opinion. You always helped those who needed helping and you always moderated fairly. When I was a noob in need you helped with building a template for a game that enjoyed and with some trouble with changing my name. You had many duties as a moderator (especially because you were the only one for years) and you always went above and beyond what most would expect. I always thought that it was good that you took your time and energy to merge the posts of those who didn't read the rules and double posted (including me) instead of deleting them when that was an easier way. I know that have made mine, and many others, MSE experience so much better.

I hope that you aren't leaving because of the rare complaint of a user who didn't read the rules and was punished and warned, I read this forum page and see nothing but praise and people who will miss your strong guidance.

You have been an essential pillar of this program and community for many years and I hope that the quality of these forums won't be too lessened by your absence. You will be sorely missed.

Sat, 2011-03-26 13:48
frederickwaffles's picture

You've started the longest thread (I think)! That ought to be a parting accomplishment.

Sat, 2011-03-26 21:44
TrenchCoatGuy's picture

Good-bye Pichiro. May your life be fruitful. Have fun with whatever you choose to do with your life now that you are done with MSE.
We will all miss you muchly.

What we think, we become.

Mon, 2011-03-28 01:55
A Tactical Waffle
A Tactical Waffle's picture

What do you mean by longest?

"If the world was perfect, it wouldn't be."
-Yogi Berra

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Mon, 2011-03-28 20:06
monkeychewtoy's picture

The Wonderful, All-Encompassing Card Clinic has the most posts of any thread in this forum. At over 2700 posts, it beats out the Creature Type Game by over 300 posts.

September 21, 2007: Monkeychewtoy predicts monocolored hybrid cards, calls them "Ridiculous."

Sun, 2011-04-03 23:51

Pich, I don't know if you're even still listening, but I just felt I had to say something:
Thank you.
I've only ever contributed one thing of note to the program, and you were there every step of the way. I did a lot of things wrong, and at every step, you pointed me in the right direction. Thank you, from the bottom of my heart.

Enjoy yourself, have fun, but know that you will be missed.