Exporting to Magic Workstation, help please?

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Sat, 2009-07-04 14:29
Wavy
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Ok thanks, look.

I finished inputting my set in MSE so I exported to Magic Workstation. I opened Magic Workstation, went Add/Analyze/Remove sets and loaded the text file, and everything was in order, but apparently that's not enough. Oh god how it's not enough.

Long story short I was able to compile 30 cards (since MWS doesn't let you compile more than 30 unless you register) and save it as a mwSet file. I was able to load them and confirm that I can play with the cards, but I still don't know how to add them to the master base..

But does anyone know if there's a way to put my entire set into MWS?

Also, a side question. Can anyone who has ever played on Magic-League.com or O-gaming.com help me remember how is it that when a new set was released we were provided with the text file for it for MWS, yet the same thing doesn't work for my set. Weren't the prerelease sets just custom sets to begin with?

Also, one more thing, what's a good place to post the MSE file for my set?

Sat, 2009-07-04 14:35
Pichoro
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First, I'm not sure what export method you use. There's the one that comes built into MSE, and there's a new export template I've completed. When you install it, you'll find the MWS option under "HTML" Exporting. Find it here: http://mtg.pifro.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=671

As for the 30 card limit, yes, that's a restriction of MWS.

The page I've linked to is the custom file library. In a different forum (but on the same website), there's a section for hosting Sets and "Set Parts". That's considered to be free hosting for MSE users. You can also host sets via personal webpages, university provided webspace, ftp servers, mediafire, megaupload, or rapidshare. I personally host mine through a subversion space.

Sat, 2009-07-04 14:41
Daeres

If you export the file as MWS format in MSE, you can then use that to import the set into MWS. There is an option to import (or some similar word) a set from a spoiler. You use the .txt file created by MSE as the MWS Export as the spoiler, and you can import the whole set at once.

MWS was created without MSE in mind; the card creation centre on it is clearly designed for itself, hence the 30 card limit, and hence why directly importing a custom set exported from MSE gets past the 30 card limit.

Completed Sets That Are Now Being Revised

Furor 06/2009 (Underwater Setting)
Furor Revised 05/2010?

Sets under Construction

Theogony (Ancient Greek Setting)
Fabrica (Steampunk Setting)

Sun, 2009-07-05 09:35
Wavy
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Daeres - That's great, that's how I was hoping it would work, but when I add the text file into MWS, it won't let me play with the cards. The only way I could get it to let me play with the cards is to compile and then decompile the cards, but it won't compile more than 30. But clearly there is a way to get the text file to work, right? But I still don't even know how to get my entire set (not just 30 cards) onto MWS and I'm only assuming it's possible.

Pichoro - I downloaded the thing from that link, but I can't tell what it does that's any different. Exporting to MWS or HTML seems to produce the exact same result, and when I add the text file to MWS to be analyzed, it still won't let me play with the cards. The only thing that's different about using the thing you linked me to is that when I used it, it produced not just the text file but also a folder with an image of every card in my set.

By the way, one of the cards in my set has a colon in the name, so the process didn't work until I changed the name of the card. Not that it matters...

I would give up, and actually I should, but there's two things I don't understand. How do I add custom sets to the master base, and how is it we were able to add prerelease sets to MWS on o-gaming.com and magic-league.com, yet my set doesn't work..

edit: It all works in apprentice so maybe I'll just go with apprentice instead.

Sun, 2009-07-05 14:15
Pichoro
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The difference between the regular MWS export and mine is as follows.

Stuff My Version Does:
- Handles flips, splits, and walkers in a manner consistent with how MWS has been doing it, as it doesn't support any of those kinds of cards.
- Formats rarities the way MWS does (it doesn't support basic land rarities, special rarities, or mythic rares.
- Formats hybrid symbols. Doesn't do regular WUBRG symbols yet (all symbols in MWS should be %<something>; for example, G/W is %A.
- Handles things like dashes and line breaks the way MWS does. MWS uses regular dashes, not longdashes, and uses two spaces for a linebreak.
- Exports the user's choice of full or cropped images.
- Puts pound signs around parenthesis, because MWS does this.

The regular MWS export doesn't do any of that, so cards import better, if you can figure out how to do it. I'd love to tell you, but personally, I just use Apprentice; never even installed MWS.


Edit: Something else that might be useful. I found this on Mtgsally, and am modifying it slightly (these were instructions for using an existant txt spoiler file.

Export a text spoiler using MSE. Close MSE.
Open MWS.
Go to Tools menu, Analyze/Add/Remove Sets
"Add New Edition" of course
Magic 2010, set key M10
Check "get data from text spoiler" and browse to whatever location you downloaded this file to.
Hit "Next Page", then "Add Edition"

Then, after that closes, hit the "Save Current Base/Deck" button at the top of your screen.

Restart Magic Workstation, and enjoy the cards.

Not sure what you do with images, but it can't be too bad, once you've got the actual cards in. This seems to indicate that if you can avoid compiling, you're okay. Supposedly, you only need to compile if cards are "incomplete". You may need to change all mana symbols to the "%" notation I mentioned above before you can avoid compiling.

Sun, 2009-07-05 16:40
Picks-at-Flies
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I've never used either, but I know Pichoro's Lackey CCG export works.

Sun, 2009-07-05 17:08
Daeres

Pich, that last thing you edited in? The add edition thing? That's how I import into MWS, and it allows full sets, and it works a treat for me.

Completed Sets That Are Now Being Revised

Furor 06/2009 (Underwater Setting)
Furor Revised 05/2010?

Sets under Construction

Theogony (Ancient Greek Setting)
Fabrica (Steampunk Setting)

Sun, 2009-07-05 17:11
Pichoro
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I'm glad to hear that. Supposedly, according to Memnarch (an mtgsally mod who makes MWS patches during rumor seasons), a text file can't have "incomplete cards", or you'll have to compile it; if you compile it, the limit happens. So, the cards need completed. I'm not sure what makes a completed card, though. My new export should be closer to "complete", though, as I'm following proper MWS formatting as much as I'm able with my knowledge.

Mon, 2009-07-06 03:03
Wavy
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Pichoro

that explains everything. I can play with the cards no, thank you very much for the instructions.

What I've been doing wrong is I immediately try to play with the cards - I did not save the library and restart MWS.

Also Pichoro thanks for the alternate export method because, I had no idea it had all those changes, but those are really important. I did notice that MWS doesn't have the flipped side for flip cards and I had to edit the card in MWS. At the time I thought I might have to manually edit the text file myself before sharing it.

Mon, 2009-07-06 03:22
Pichoro
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In future versions, I think I'll have template actually attach those instructions to the header of every text spoiler it creates.

Mon, 2009-07-06 06:13
Wavy
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oh my god the pics work too. This is so cool.

Actually I have never played MWS with pics before. I didn't even think I'd use the pics for my set, but I'm glad I did. Granted they have no artwork but it's so much nicer than the MWS cards. Not just in play, but whenever you read a card, you see the actual card image.

Mon, 2009-07-06 13:42
Pichoro
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I'm glad its working so well. Now imagine if you found art. Winking smiley Or, if you used a custom template?

Tue, 2009-07-07 19:20
Wavy
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I think I should make my own art. As for custom template, not sure what that is.

Tue, 2009-07-07 20:51
Pichoro
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A custom template is almost any of the templates here: http://mtg.pifro.com/viewforum.php?f=19

Tue, 2009-07-07 23:42
Wavy
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Hmm, I'll pass. At least for this set. It's more fun when they look like MtG cards, custom templates break the illusion, but they do have a feel of a different TCG altogether. I was considering having my next set Future-shifted due to the rule-changing nature of land creatures. A custom template might work. But somehow I still like the look of the normal post-8th style, there's something slightly gaudy about all the other styles. Plus I like pretending they are actual cards.

Seeing Korlash Heir to the Backblade Female_Kaldra edition gave me an idea though, maybe I should give all cards the same artwork, just so there's something there - depending on what type/color they are. And maybe each creature type would have their own artwork. But no.. that's too fascist.. nevermind. At least now you'd imagine what the card might look like, but it would be jarring if a 1/1 wizard, 4/4 wizard, and 1/5 cat wizard are conveyed as being three of the same guy.