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Thu, 2009-04-02 01:02
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I'm creating this and sticking it as a single unified location for discussing new developments in Magic sets and projects.

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- Amonkhet (Apr 28, 2017) more information
- Commander Anthology (Jun 9, 2017) more information
- Archenemy: Nicol Bolas (Jun 16, 2017) more information
- Hour of Devastation (Jul 14, 2017) more information
- Commander 2017 (Aug 25, 2017) more information
- Ixalan (Sep 29, 2017) more information
- Iconic Masters (Nov 17, 2017) more information

Thu, 2009-04-02 01:26
rujudan
Thu, 2009-04-02 02:05
Fafnir
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Zendikar will obviously be about pirates. Just think about it.

Zendik-ARR!
Deadly Perils, Priceless Treasures Booty.

EDIT: Of course, this will finally lead to Duel Decks: Pirates vs. Ninjas.

Billy vs Snakeman - bringing awesomeness, kickassery and ninjas to your backyard.

Warning: May contain pirates, robots and/or zombies.

Thu, 2009-04-02 15:09
innuendo
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I finally saw one of those 6 card boosters in a store yesterday...

Do the random pack generator have those as one of the options?

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Thu, 2009-04-02 17:03
Pichoro
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6 card boosters are not currently included in the random pack generator for Magic. I've been debating back and forth with myself whether they even should be included.

Thu, 2009-04-02 17:08
innuendo
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As much as I think they are stupid to purchase and sell, they exist so they probably should be included...

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Thu, 2009-04-02 17:15
Pichoro
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I dunno. I mean, they're just a consumer trap. I'm just not convinced they should even be acknowledged as existing. lol

The only reason I'm tempted to is that its not currently possible using the custom booster pack maker, since the common/uncommon/rare slot has never been done before in a pack (so we didn't emulate it).

Thu, 2009-04-02 18:40
Guitarweeps
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IMO 6 card boosters are pointless.
i have heard numerous rumours that they are doing away with mana burn with M10, but never from a reliable source. Has anyone heard this from a reliable source? It seems like a very strange change to put in so late in the game.

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Thu, 2009-04-02 18:45
Pichoro
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I've not heard the removal of mana burn from a reliable source either; always rumors.

Other "confirmed" rumors:
- Alara Reborn is entirely multicolor (meaning no 1-drops and no lands). Or maybe hybrid 1-drops?
- Core sets will release every year for the forseeable future.
- M2010 will be about 50% new cards, including new duals.
- Probable terminology changes in M2010, including casting spells.

Other non-confirmed rumors:
- Zendikar will be pirate or caveman flavored.
- More terminology changes in M2010, including the "play" and "rfg" zones being renamed "battlefield and "void" respectively.

Thu, 2009-04-02 18:52
Lord of 13
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FYI, pichoro, hybrid isn't multicolor. a one drop would have to be like

Spoiler:
[BR Devil] 1 mana symbol
Creature - Devil {C}
~ is black and red.
If Black mana symbol was spent to play ~, ~ comes into play with a +1/+1 counter on it.
If Red mana symbol was spent to play ~, ~ comes into play with a +1/+1 counter on it.
0/0

or just a '~ green and white'
Spoiler:
[GW Soldier] White mana symbol
Creature - Elf Soldier {C}
~ is green and white.
1/1

The reason is that hybrid is one or the other, while multicolor is one and the other.

*waiting for 'wrath of mod'*
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Thu, 2009-04-02 18:56
Pichoro
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FYI, Lord of 13, in the eyes of the rules, hybrid IS multicolor. The term "hybrid" has no meaning other than hybrid mana symbols. It is slang we use for convenience.

Thu, 2009-04-02 19:11
Lord of 13
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...
...
Just looked at my comprehensive rules, & they state that, for rules, hybrid is multicolor.
...
Yet at mtgsalvation forums, the people did not agree
...

*confusion, but belief in comp. rules*
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Thu, 2009-04-02 19:17
Vergalon
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I could see them getting rid of mana burn, since it is somewhat of an unimportant and unimpactful rule. Under normal circumstances, it doesn't do anything any way... also, what is the flavor behind it?

I personally don't want them to get rid of mana burn, and I'm also not so keen on the new phrases that might be used

*edit*
Hybrid comes after normal multi-color, right?
Also, there could be artifacts and lands in reborn, right?
(can't read the bottom text on the newest spoiler card)

Thu, 2009-04-02 19:20
Pichoro
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I'm not keen on the changes at all myself. Which is strange because this is the first time I've been opposed to sweeping changes. I was fine with the post 8th frames, for example, as well as mythic rares and new card types.

As for why mtgsalvation considers hybrid to not be multicolor; its because they are commonly treated like two different terms, despite the rules. I figure its very likely that there are not hybrid 1-drops in ARB, but considering that WotC has fooled us buyers a few times (TSP Purple Rarity and Peanut Butter Jelly 'Donut' "block" come to mind), I wouldn't consider it impossible. Especially since the rules make no distinction between the two, we know there are hybrid mana symbols in ARB, and traditionally, hybrid cards come after multicolor cards in sorting (and we know the first card to be multicolor).

Vergalon wrote:
Hybrid comes after normal multi-color, right?
Also, there could be artifacts and lands in reborn, right?

There was a release flyer or something for dealers stating that ARB was all multicolor. So, don't count on monocolor artifacts, colorless artifacts, or lands.

Thu, 2009-04-02 20:28
emperorkingx

In Twan's MSE thread, someone mentioned that there was going to be an Alara Reborn card with a cost containing Red/white mana symbolGreen mana symbol. So you need green mana, plus red or white. Sound familiar?
And if there is a Naya card like that, we can probably safely assume there will be one for every Shard; a Blue/red mana symbolBlack mana symbol for Grixis, a Black/green mana symbolRed mana symbol for Jund, etc.
Or is it just me?

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Thu, 2009-04-02 23:15
Fafnir
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Most likely. Also, the advertising theme for Reborn is gold, so there's little chance for standalone hybrid. It will likely be a set focused on 2-color, with "shardbrid" as a way to have multiple dual-colored options.

@Pich: I find myself in your same situation, regarding sweeping changes... though I won't believe anything without proof. Also, I can tell from experience that most weird changes WotC makes, like 8th frames, hybrid mana, split cards, etc... make somewhat more sense in retrospect.
I'm already starting to accept Red/white mana symbolGreen mana symbol. Of course, change will always be opposed - and not necessarely without a reason. It's the human nature.

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Fri, 2009-04-03 05:20
coppro
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The numbering we currently have doesn't allow for hybrid cards, unless they are now grouping hybrid in with main multicolors (which I wouldn't put past them).

More importantly, From the Vault: Vaults is not mentioned in the first post.

And to answer your questions:

- No, a vaulted ceiling does not count
- Neither does the gym equipment
- A burial chamber might count, depending on the circumstances. Contact your HJ/TO. If you are a TO and don't know, contact Wizards (you have the address). They should reply within 5 business days, 3 if you send pictures.

Fri, 2009-04-03 05:30
Will Henshin Fo...
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Even though the six pack boosters are pointless, i can't complain much. I did yoink 2 Nicol Bolas, planeswalkers from the little packs o' six.

Also, if they phase out mana burn, I'm prolly going to either house rules mana burn back in, or just quit playing. In the multi games i play in, Mana burn is a big strategy element.

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Fri, 2009-04-03 05:53
Icarael
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innuendo wrote:
I finally saw one of those 6 card boosters in a store yesterday...

So what are these 6-card boosters like? They have to be less expensive than normal boosters; I mean normal boosters are 15 (I think) cards and cost P 160 here in the Philippines. So then the 6card boosters would have to be less that price.

And come on, 6 cards? That's a bit risky, since all 6 of those cards might be crappy cards (that is, using the normal distribution of rarities with boosters). At least with the 15-card booster, you have a bigger chance of pulling a bomb.

Fafnir wrote:
Of course, this will finally lead to Duel Decks: Pirates vs. Ninjas.

I'd buy that.

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Fri, 2009-04-03 09:25
Knight Otu

I'm pretty sure actually that the people over at MTGSalvation disagree with the idea that (pure) hybrid is *gold*, rather than the idea that hybrid is multicolor. The thing about ARB is that the promotional material says both "solid gold" and "100% multicolor", and as such, pure hybrid doesn't fit in.

Not very surprisingly after Shadowmoor and the card code article, the ARB multicolored cards are numbered by color. Interestingly, though, they're apparently going allied pairs, then enemy pairs (the pattern afterwards being still unknown), while the new Gatherer uses the interwoven order voted for after Shadowmoor... as someone who voted for the interwoven order, I'm not sure what to make of this. Stick out your tongue

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Fri, 2009-04-03 11:29
Pichoro
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Coppro - Hybrid pairs are handled by our current sorting system. Tribrid isn't, but honestly, I wouldn't even know where to start. And I'm not motivated to try to figure it out, when its seriously tempting to take our the support for hybrid pairs we have.

Knight Otu - Wasn't aware of the wording "solid gold". I considered it unlikely before, but now I'll agree its even less so.


About 6-card booster packs. (I think) MSRP here in the states for a 15-card booster is USD$3.99. The 6-card boosters are MSRP USD$1.99. They contain [1 basic land, 4 commons, 1 other]. The "other" has a 1:3 chance of being common, 1:3 chance of being uncommon, and 1:3 chance of rare/mythic rare.

Frankly, I feel insulted that they halved the price, but more than halved the value of the contents of the pack. Some forum posters have felt like they were more likely to open mythics (and thus, want to set it at a 1:4 chance of opening a mythic as opposed to the 1:24 I think it is or the 1:8 in 15-card boosters), but I'm doubtful that this is an accurate view of the mythic distribution in these packs. I mean, they seem to be constantly sold out (I've seen the boxes, but never seen a pack), so how many of these moved to people who never reported their contents, and opened utter jank?

Fri, 2009-04-03 14:01
Idle Muse
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I see no reason to include 6-card booster packs in MSE; they serve no purpose other than for little kids to buy - real boosters can be drafted, give a much better impression of a 'random look' at the set, and so forth.

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Fri, 2009-04-03 14:21
innuendo
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You see Muse, I'm with you to a point. The point of mse is not to provide a a tool to show what magic looks like to us, it's to as accuratly as possible emmulate what WotC does with Magic, and be able to reproduce that.

The fact that 6packs are for little kids in no way makes them less real. The sam argument could be said for a new card type called "awesome" that won you the game, and had it's own unique, 100 colored rainbow frame. It might seem stupid to us, but if WotC did it, MSE would be duty bound to emulate it I think. It's not our job to pick and choice to emulate the pieces of Magic we agree with or enjoy, we as a community should be emulating everything, and then going beyond (magic-new-extra, for instance). But the ground level needs to include everything they do, and if that's debatable, why even bother having old style frames? Or correct sorting? You get my point.

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Fri, 2009-04-03 14:38
Pichoro
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I dunno. I mean, not supporting an entire class of card design is one thing, but what's being lost by not including 6-card booster packs? What's the real damage here? By the same token, if WotC is not going to make a permanent habit about sorting color pairs in hybrid and multicolor sections, why bother? What's the real loss if we didn't support that?

We're not talking about something akin to ignoring planeswalkers or snow mana or colored artifacts. Those have real impacts on our ability to use MSE to design cards. We're talking about not having quite pristine perfect sorting and not having the ability to generate a booster pack that 1/3 of the time is all commons and basic lands anyway.

Fri, 2009-04-03 14:58
Will Henshin Fo...
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actually, it's 1 basic 3 commons, 1 uncommon, C/U/R/M slot, then the token/rules tip.

I agree that the 15 card packs are better, but with my budget half the time, the 6 packs o' magic do relieve the magic itch for a bit.

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Fri, 2009-04-03 15:04
innuendo
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I guess pich, it just seems like a bad road to head down when we just start ignoring things because we don't see the gain in them. Sooner or later someone will use this program expecting its random function to support the 6 card packs and we'll have to explain we didn't do it because we, in so many words, didn't like them enough to include them.

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Fri, 2009-04-03 19:12
Darkmouse

I agree with Innuendo on this one. Though I admit I never use the booster generator anyways. But what happens with some of the other changes they are making. What if general concensus was not to call it a "spell"?

besides, what happens when 6 card booster drafting becomes the next hot format?

Think about it, drafting that might give you a rare or two, but mostly commons. call it... Peasant Drafting (though ultimately it would cost more, but no one will talk about that.)

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Kinda jumping into: Niv-Mizzet Community Set
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Fri, 2009-04-03 20:16
Pichoro
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Something_Desu wrote:
actually, it's 1 basic 3 commons, 1 uncommon, C/U/R/M slot, then the token/rules tip.

Actually, there's no guaranteed uncommon. I forgot the token/rules tip, but it really is 1 basic, 4 commons, and 1 of whatever else you're lucky enough to get. I'm taking this from an Arcana, not some other source.

Darkmouse wrote:
But what happens with some of the other changes they are making. What if general concensus was not to call it a "spell"?

But that's not the case here. Some may call it a slippery slope, but I think the difference is clear. Does it affect the actual ability to create cards? Then we should do it, no question. If it doesn't? Then its not so obvious. If the aspect (like occasional hybrid pair sorting) isn't making a real difference, why are we worried about it?

Fri, 2009-04-03 20:39
Idle Muse
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MSE is not a booster-generating program. Much better programs exist for that, ones that take things like print runs into account. MSE is a card design aid. 6-card booster packs do in no way fall under the mandate of aiding the design and showcase functionality. 15-card booster packs do, because an important part of set design is how it drafts. 6-card packs are not used in drafts, nor in any other relevant situation. If someone does think up a popular limited format that uses them, this may change, but at the moment, all they are is a marketing gimmick for people who can't afford a real booster.

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Fri, 2009-04-03 21:40
Will Henshin Fo...
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Which is me on non-pay weeks Stick out your tongue

I see your point muse.

So, sliiiding away from that one... ARB's gonna me Solid gold. That's never been done before, true.

But with Zendikar, why is it that i almost get a more african feel, or even an Outbackish feel from the name alone.

I dunno. WHFF waits with bated breath.

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Fri, 2009-04-03 21:47
Fafnir
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Pirates jokes aside, I think Muraganda (Muraganda Petroglyphs, Imperiosaur) could easily be in Zendikar.

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Fri, 2009-04-03 22:35
Will Henshin Fo...
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I will henshin into a costumed Toku superhero, for a nice plate of food.

I will Gattai for a feast Big smile

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Sat, 2009-04-04 13:59
emperorkingx

If you really want 6-card boosters, you can easily make them by going to the packs, selecting custom pack, and entering the combination you want. Although honestly, I agree on there being no significant point.

Even as you read this, I am completing my plans for world domination...

Sat, 2009-04-04 14:03
Pichoro
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As I said, you technically can't make the 6-card boosters by making a custom pack. There's no primitive pack type that does 1/3 common, 1/3 uncommon, 1/3 rare or mythic. This is the only reason I am tempted to put them in.

Wed, 2009-04-08 20:12
The Figment

In the Creature Type Game, I think in pages 17-18, I made some shard-crossover mechanic cards.

Now look at Ethercaste Knight...

Wed, 2009-04-08 20:16
Vergalon
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Kinda inevitable >.<
Although I was hoping for enemy colored gold when i first heard of shards of alara >:

Wed, 2009-04-08 21:02
Ulxiz
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@Aurora: It was pretty much coincidence. Wizards designs their sets 1 year early, so they probably already had Ethercaste Knight when Shadowmoor was being previewed.

Thu, 2009-04-09 00:43
coppro
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I called Ravnica.

Maybe two years before the set's release, I did the following:

- Came up with hybrid

- Had the idea that every color combination was associated with a different organization

- Had cards that acted differently depending on what mana was paid for them

I never fleshed the ideas out, and I don't claim they copied me or anything, but the resemblance was spooky.

Thu, 2009-04-09 02:29
Rusty Keyes
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What did your hybrid symbols look like? lol

You don't really have to answer that--there isn't really any other way they would've looked other than what Wizards did. lol

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Mon, 2009-04-13 23:20
coppro
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They were the normal mana symbols cut in half, with the halves glued together. They were closest to the bottom left symbol on http://www.wizards.com/Magic/Magazine/Article.aspx?x=mtgcom/arcana/911

Wed, 2009-04-22 20:19
Will Henshin Fo...
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In which the article is not there any longer -_-.

So, hows about that dragon that's been spoiled... the one that plays stealy with every dragon :3

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Wed, 2009-04-22 21:25
Pichoro
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The article Coppro spoke of is still there. He just added a period, and the forum software thought that was part of the URL. I've fixed it now, feel free to have a look.

Alara Reborn was fully spoiled today.

Wed, 2009-04-22 21:33
Fafnir
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They stole my gold card/hybrid cycling idea... not that it was very original.
Oh, and the dual landcycling lands in Lotus <-> dual landcycling critters in Reborn!

Going to the prerelease this sunday. My 3x Death Barons are waiting for a certain Thoctar to shine...

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Thu, 2009-04-23 03:04
Will Henshin Fo...
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@ pich: huh, Wut? On the main site or on MTGS? Cause if it's on Salvation, i haven't been on there in a while....

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Kamen Rider Decade's the closest thing i've seen so far to having a Kamen Rider Desu

Thu, 2009-04-23 03:06
Pichoro
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Alara Reborn was spoiled on mtgsally; where else? lol


All in all, Alara Reborn didn't force many new edits to the templates.

1.) Multicolor pair sorting.
2.) Some different default card colors for certain casting costs.
3.) Cascade keyword.
4.) New Sunburst reminder text in the accompanying Oracle update.

That seems to be it...

Thu, 2009-04-23 05:30
Will Henshin Fo...
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*exasperated sigh* Well, SOOOORY! lol.

good thing that it didn't rape the templates too much tho.

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Kamen Rider Decade's the closest thing i've seen so far to having a Kamen Rider Desu

Sun, 2009-04-26 03:18
Guitarweeps
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Fafnir wrote:
Oh, and the dual landcycling lands in Lotus <-> dual landcycling critters in Reborn!
I know! I thought the exact same thing when I saw them! They work out pretty good I think...

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Fri, 2009-05-01 01:17
Pichoro
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Well, now Alara Reborn is releasing in a couple days, and speculation is flying about Zendikar.

Current Speculation:
- Poison Block
- Pirate Block
- "Back to Basics" Block
- Jungle Block
- Alternate Win Conditions Block

Sat, 2009-05-02 18:41
Rusty Keyes
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Something I haven't seen before from Friday's article:

Spoiler:

They seem kind of silly to make a template for (I dunno even why he bothered showing them), but if Wizards did it... A happy smile

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Sat, 2009-05-02 23:43
Pichoro
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It kinda looks like the effects that go on the stack in Magic Online; maybe the ones for MTGO v3. I've got frames for the one is MTGO v2, and always thougth I'd make a template from them, but never actually did it.


That said, these don't belong in sets, so I don't see that a template is necessary. I mean, if you made one, they don't get printed in sets, and you don't normally use them in a game. Why bother?

Sun, 2009-05-03 07:14
Rusty Keyes
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Pichoro wrote:
That said, these don't belong in sets, so I don't see that a template is necessary. I mean, if you made one, they don't get printed in sets, and you don't normally use them in a game. Why bother?
Correct. I was joking.

Anyway I've never played MTGO; it's pretty cool that they do that.

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