Ranking Every MSE Set Ever (pt 3: #87, The Magnificent 78, I Mean, The Other Way Around)

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Sat, 2017-07-29 04:15
jacqui-pup
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Remember that thing Mario was doing? Well, I stole it from him and also inflated the scope beyond recognition, please send help.

WARNING: THIS SERIES CONTAINS HEAVY PROFANITY.

Pt. 1: Cretio Created
Pt. 2: Spirits of Giravost
Pt. 3: The Magnificent 87

Next time on REMSESE: Why not just reprint Cancel 300 times...?

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Sat, 2017-07-29 04:52
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This is so much better than anything I could have imagined. I can't wait to take spots 74-79!

Sat, 2017-07-29 04:58
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I was expecting brutal criticism and instead got a work of art. Awesome work jacqui.

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Sat, 2017-07-29 05:14
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Remsese sounds like an obscure jazz term. Or maybe a principle of magic in a weird D&D game. In fact, I'm going to nab that word for later use. Oh, and the article is fun, too.

Sat, 2017-07-29 06:09
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The lightsabers though <3

I think one of my favourite parts is the cards that didn't even make it onto here. There's so much garbage to point out that even a 1cmc dude that fetches a forest every upkeep doesn't warrant a mention.

EDIT: Also, "this was a featured set"? Nah nah, it's STILL a featured set. It's not even the lowest ranked featured set!

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Sat, 2017-07-29 08:22
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This is awesome! Big smile

Sat, 2017-07-29 08:39
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This is awesome, hilarious - and definitely worth the wait Big smile

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Sat, 2017-07-29 08:48
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Good heavens, you are not messing around with these. Really looking forward to the next installment!

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Sat, 2017-07-29 11:05
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Just the right blend of irreverent profanity and actual concrit. I dread the day my sets show up, and I'm waiting for more.

How long did it take to make this, btw?

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Thu, 2017-08-03 19:56
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How long did it take to make this, btw?

Too long whoops

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I think one of my favourite parts is the cards that didn't even make it onto here. There's so much garbage to point out that even a 1cmc dude that fetches a forest every upkeep doesn't warrant a mention.

In order for a creature in Cretio Created to be playable, it has to have these two qualities:
1) It has to be at least X/2, because there are two lands with "1 mana symbol, Tap symbol: Add Black mana symbol to your mana pool. Target creature gets -1/-1 until end of turn." and several red commons with Desert Sandstorm tacked on.
2) It needs to do something even when it's being tapped down every turn by the two-mana Rishadan Port or one of the two lands with "1 mana symbol, Tap symbol: Add Blue mana symbol to your mana pool. Tap target creature."

Verdalian Chantress might hypothetically get some use if you're going first, since you can't ping it on turn 1?

It's funny: this set has Reanimate at common (not literally, but it's a one-mana reanimator spell) and several 8/8s with evasion, and somehow that is not a playable strategy.

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Sat, 2017-07-29 17:57
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Ok that was funny!

Reassess, GL...

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Mon, 2017-07-31 06:08
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Heh, it was good to read. Keeo going, @jacqui!

I just dont understand why people pay thousands for a piece of cardboard.
Why just don't play some casual? Gee, it isn't even fun to play with, and especially against.

Mon, 2017-07-31 16:10
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This is better than I ever could have done. Thank you for making my dream a reality

Mon, 2017-07-31 23:17
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MORE.


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Tue, 2017-08-01 00:06
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Seems literally impossible to do this level of quality for each set on the list...or even like 20 of them...

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Fri, 2017-08-04 20:29
jacqui-pup
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Part two is up, tackling Spirits of Giravost.

http://imgur.com/67tMBWz.png

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Sat, 2017-08-05 14:58
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I remember Recover - do I get a cookie now? Stick out your tongue

Really like the Coldsnap comparisons this time around - nicely done.

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Sat, 2017-08-05 15:14
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@jacqui: Will you be able to rank everything on the list? I'm afraid that around #70 some kind of burnout may occur.
If I would rank your work in a 1-10 scale, I'd give you a strong 40 or something just like this (doo-doo-doo, doo-doo-doo)

Kudos for everyone who got the reference.

I just dont understand why people pay thousands for a piece of cardboard.
Why just don't play some casual? Gee, it isn't even fun to play with, and especially against.

Sat, 2017-08-05 16:07
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@Daij: Atuum is a pretty good set so I wouldn't worry about that. Penada... I might be harsher. But it certainly won't be the worst wedge set

@Velveeta: I mean, some of these sets I'm going to have to get creative to say anything clever about them. But that's on y'all for making 200 core sets

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Sat, 2017-08-05 16:20
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But it certainly won't be the worst wedge set

*sweats nervously*

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Sat, 2017-08-05 16:48
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Really good analysis of the set's mechanics and how they interact with each other. Also, I lost it at the line about Rite of Flame being memorable. Splendid work! Big smile

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But it certainly won't be the worst wedge set

*sweats nervously*

*angrily shakes fist at FRAGMENTS OF RATH*
I actually wonder which set could be the best wedge set here at MSE...

Sat, 2017-08-05 18:32
Daij_Djan
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Gorgonzola wrote:
I'm afraid that around #70 some kind of burnout may occur.

I personally think the 40 to 20 range might be much more difficult - not the bottom of the barrel but still not really awesome sets..

jacqui-pup wrote:
Penada... I might be harsher.

Totally fair Winking smiley I know the set has some flaws and definitely doesn't really live up to more than four years of spoiler season Big smile

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Sat, 2017-08-05 21:36
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This thread has given me new aspirations for life. Perhaps someday I'll be able to make the next dank set and land a solid spot in the rankings at #81.


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Sun, 2017-08-06 02:34
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@Ziolang:I don't know; I made a set about drinking alcohol IRL, so it'll have to be really bad to beat that...

Sun, 2017-08-06 03:12
jacqui-pup
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Yeah, don't worry, the drinking set isn't on there. Basically anything I couldn't find a set file for is off-limits, with the exception of one of jrzman's sets. Which is leading to me scrambling to find replacements for Sakon's remastered Skyrim and Undone.

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Sun, 2017-08-06 03:42
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The set file for SRE doesn't exist? I'm almost positive it does

Sun, 2017-08-06 09:16
Gorgonzola
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Okay, I opened a "Cretio Created" booster. Let's see what we have in there! (Yep, I'm a bit late.)

Cretio
Commons
Avalanche Giant 4 mana symbolRed mana symbol
Creature - Giant Common
Trample, intimidate
5/3

Creation Chalice 1 mana symbol
Artifact Common
Growth 2
Sacrifice ~: Add Colorless mana symbol to your mana pool for each growth counter on ~.

Crippled Angel 2 mana symbolBlack mana symbol
Creature - Angel Common
Deathtouch
3/2

Earth Negation 3 mana symbolRed mana symbol
Sorcery Common
As an additional cost to cast ~, sacrifice a land.
Destroy two target lands.

Hatchling of Crinturin 4 mana symbolBlue mana symbolBlue mana symbol
Creature - Dragon Common
Flying
6/5

Heavenly Magus 1 mana symbolWhite mana symbolWhite mana symbol
Creature - Angel Cleric Common
Flying
Tap symbol: You gain 2 life. Activate this ability only any time you could cast a sorcery.
2/3

Imbued Life 2 mana symbolWhite mana symbol
Enchantment Common
Growth 3
Tap symbol: You gain 1 life for each growth counter on ~.

Spellcrusher 2 mana symbol
Artifact - Equipment Common
Equipped creature gets +2/+0 and has shroud.
Equip 3 mana symbol

Spiderling 2 mana symbolGreen mana symbol
Creature - Spider Common
Reach
1/3

Spirit Caller 1 mana symbolGreen mana symbol
Creature - Human Wizard Common
Tap symbol: Create a 1/1 green Spirit creature token with "At the beginning of the end step, sacrifice this creature."
1/1

Trin Hatchling Black mana symbol
Creature - Horror Common
1/1


Uncommons
Greedy Mage 2 mana symbolBlue mana symbol
Creature - Human Wizard Uncommon
Growth 3
Spells cost 1 mana symbol more to cast for each growth counter on ~.
2/2

Portal Carver 4 mana symbol
Artifact - Equipment Uncommon
Equipped creature is unblockable.
Equip 1 mana symbolBlue mana symbol

Recruit from Death 4 mana symbolBlack mana symbolBlack mana symbol
Sorcery Uncommon
Put target creature card from a graveyard onto the battlefield under your control. That creature becomes a Horror in addition to its other types.


Rare
Aen Blackripper 3 mana symbolBlack mana symbolBlack mana symbol
Legendary Creature - Human Warrior Rare
Growth 3
~ has first strike as long as there is one or more growth counter on it.
~ gets +4/+2 as long as there are three or more growth counters on it.
2/5

Yay.
Now let me open my Mercadian Masques booster, I'm waiting for my Kyren Glider.

I just dont understand why people pay thousands for a piece of cardboard.
Why just don't play some casual? Gee, it isn't even fun to play with, and especially against.

Sun, 2017-08-06 16:02
jacqui-pup
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@Sakimaki: It exists! I just can't open it because it has funky frames. You could PM me a fixed version of the file I guess

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Sun, 2017-08-06 16:08
ThisisSakon
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Or just download this template which is very visible at the top of the Skyrim Remastered thread Winking smiley

Sun, 2017-08-06 23:32
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The comparison of cumulative upkeep to student loans had me cracking up...

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Thu, 2017-08-10 01:10
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Part three is up. This one tackles The Magnificent 87, a set that may or may not have been chosen because 87 is 78 backwards

http://imgur.com/6fyiAqU.png

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Thu, 2017-08-10 01:28
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Really hit it out of the park with the MS Paint art here. And, actually, with the everything. Good heavens, is this set really only two years old?

Thank you for tearing this one apart. I feel like I can breathe out and move on now.

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Thu, 2017-08-10 02:10
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I suspect that last line is gonna burn me soon Stick out your tongue

Emergency Medicine kinda forgot to do anything as an enchantment. The great painting almost made me miss it.

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Thu, 2017-08-10 02:11
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She would choose the one machinate card with the typo, wouldn't she?

... Yes. Yes she would.

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Thu, 2017-08-10 19:24
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oh my god jacqui, you can't just ask someone why they only have cycling in two colours

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