MSE Modern 2.0

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Thu, 2017-06-08 14:26
WindyDelcarlo
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A Tale as Old as Time wrote:
MSE Modern is a format that has been slowly rising. The base idea of the format is simple: Allow for users to play with their custom sets together. At the beginning, these sets were chosen mostly at random. If a set existed, it likely was added to MSE Modern. This lead to a lot of problems. The first GP for MSE Modern resulted in the astounding supremacy of red burn, which killed relatively consistently on turn 2 and definitely by turn 3. By the end of the GP, MSE Modern had become a format with a banlist all on its own. This was by no means an easy task for one person.

What is MSE Modern 2.0?
Let's start off by thanking Jacqui-Pup, ThisIsSakon, Timespiraled, Daij_Djan, Marioware2, HerziQuerzi, Liz the Goddess, and JustNobody for helping make this one-person project a reality.
The problem that caused most of MSE Modern's limitations was that sets weren't chosen to represent the MSE community. MSE Modern sets were, largely, thrown together regardless of whether it was a good set or not. This lead to an unstable level of balance between sets, with some sets being more powerful, other less powerful, some were tested, some had never been played with before. This made designing and curating the format difficult.
That's where MSE Modern 2.0 steps in. Two months ago, we (the MSEM Council) asked for set submissions that creators wanted to be involved in MSE Modern. These were sets that were being developed and being edited to make them as good as they possibly could be. To make sure sets being added to MSE Modern showed off the good side of the designers, and not the broken, unplayable side that people might think from looking at custom cards, we curated these sets, suggested changes, and pointed out problem cards according to a list of guidelines that we would be using to vote sets into the format after these fixes and been done.

Current Sets

MSE Modern currently consists of the following 12 sets:

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  • Aftermath [AFM] (Head Des: Korakhos)
  • Goliaths of Nangjiao [GNJ] (Head Des: Marioware2)
  • Imperial Legacies [IMP] (Head Des: Timespiraled)
  • Korakhos 2015 Core Set [K15] (Head Des: Take a Guess)
  • Khaliz-Doran [KZD] (Head Des: Korakhos)
  • Mious [MIS] (Head Des: FluffyDeathbringer)
  • Ophorio [OPO] (Head Des: Cajun)
  • Pyramids of Atuum [POA] (Head Des: Daij_Djan)
  • Spark of Revolution [SOR] (Head Des: WindyDelcarlo)
  • Surging Tides [SUR] (Head Des: Marioware2)
  • Tides of War [TOW] (Head Des: Korakhos)
  • A Tourney at Whiterun [TWR] (Head Des: HerziQuerzi)
And also:
  • Land Bundle [L] (10 ETB tapped duals that exist to be reprinted for limited)

Banlist
Just like all formats, sometimes cards can get through the cracks. While we normally prefer to change these, there are sometimes cards that are perfectly fine until they get mixed into a large format. In these cases, the designer may choose that the card is hard banned instead of changed such that it doesn't disrupt any other formats they happen to be designing.

The List:

  • Aetherforge (SOR) - Aetherforge reveals and shuffles the entire library without any artifacts. This is normally fine. The problem here is that revealing your whole library means exiling anything with prophecy and having permanent access to those. This isn't the case within Windy-Standard sets, so this one has been banned.
  • Deadly Manipulation (KZD) - This is a very powerful late-game enchantment that ends the game practically on resolution with unmatched card advantage and selection potential. The ability to cast it early game and already have it start winning makes it impossible to play against without having already won.

Resources and Download
Download Links:
Lackey CCG
http://mse-modern.com/msem2/updatelist.txt

To use LackeyCCG to play MSE Modern, you need these two links. The first link takes you to the download for LackeyCCG. Once you've downloaded LackeyCCG, follow these steps:

  • Open LackeyCCG
  • Look along the tabs at the top for "Plugin: war3000" and click it.
  • Paste the second URL in the box beside where it says "Paste AutoUpdate URL:".
  • On the right side of that box, hit "Install or Update from URL!"
  • When the plugin tells you it's ready, open it, then click on the deck editor tab and start making a deck.

Other Resources:
MSE Modern Home Page
MSE Modern Discord
Notifications and updates will still go up on the forums, but the main home page is off-site, for multiple reasons up to and including trying to make sure that we don't attract WotC's ire to MSE as a whole. Questions about this site should be directed to Timespiraled or Marioware2, who actually overlook it.

Thu, 2017-06-08 15:30
digiman619
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I'm getting the error message "Error: Your plugin doesn't define where to download card images from". Any idea how to fix it?

Thu, 2017-06-08 15:41
WindyDelcarlo
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Did you have the previous msem plugin? If so, you may need to install a second time to make sure that your plugin recognizes and downloads a file it needs.

Thu, 2017-06-08 16:07
digiman619
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I see what I did wrong; I tried to update it to msemagic, not war3000. That fixed it up, no problem.

Fri, 2017-06-09 09:02
isaac the awesome
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For the card Shared Vigor shouldn't Y be toughness also the discord invite expired.

Fri, 2017-06-09 14:41
ThisisSakon
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Image has been converted to a text link for various reasons

Sorry about that! The image above should give you to a one-time invite that doesn't expire!

Fri, 2017-06-09 15:38
RJ
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Can I also have discord link?

Please ignore the clearly insane electrical engineer behind the instrument panel. His meds won't wear off until Thur- it's Friday?? Already?! Oh dear.

Fri, 2017-06-09 16:37
Timespiraled
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@RJ: Sakon right above you has the newest link. I'll ask Windy to change the main one.

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Fri, 2017-06-09 19:12
WindyDelcarlo
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The main one had been changed, I just never got around to declaring it.

Fri, 2017-06-09 21:54
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@Aetherforge and further cards that Prophecy might break: Cascade wording dodges the trigger. Exiling instead of revealing won't let them stick and they'll be shuffled away before most exile shenanigans can affect them.

This does just move the problem area to "When X is exiled" for better or worse, and means The Erased can eat your whole library if that breaks anything, but otherwise this is a mechanical change without much practical change.

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Sat, 2017-06-10 00:47
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Yeah, that's one of the major reasons why Aetherforge was banned rather than any Prophecy cards; it's an exploit that's easy to design around. Windy just preferred to have Aetherforge banned rather than change it to that wording.

Phasing
This phases in or out before you untap during each of your untap steps. While it's phased out, it's treated as though it doesn't exist.
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Sat, 2017-06-10 04:43
isaac the awesome
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Is there a place to download the various set files in MSEM 2.0?

Sat, 2017-06-10 05:25
Cajun
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Can't promise they're all up to date, but set threads are a good start.
Aftermath
Goliaths of Nangjiao
Imperial Legacies: Oddly doesn't have a file.
K15
Khaliz-Dorahn
Mious
Ophorio: Current set link
Pyramids of Atuum
Spark of Revolution
Surging Tides
Tides of War
A Tourney at Whiterun

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I dunno, Cajun has a habit of doing Dubiously Working new rules stuff

Sat, 2017-06-10 05:40
WindyDelcarlo
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The reason, if you're curious, is that I'm still designing around Windy-Standard. Given how UB was an exile archetype where cards being put into exile matters, I decided to _not_ have Aetherforge enable a game-winning combo there.

Sat, 2017-06-10 16:45
Cajun
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Yea I figured that it was somewhere and that I had just missed it. Jus wanted to make sure the bases were covered.

edit: pair of mechanics questions

Is Mious' Trial failed before or after targets are chosen?
Where are Inscribe cards exiled from? (Imperial Legacies)

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Sat, 2017-06-10 18:08
WindyDelcarlo
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I would imagine that Mious's trial would be failed after targets are chosen, the same way that you do splice after targets.
Inscribe I can only assume is from hand, but I don't actually know.

Sat, 2017-06-10 18:49
Cajun
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Splice is before targets. Otherwise the spliced card couldn't target.
I've been working off hand too but yea doesn't say.

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Sat, 2017-06-10 20:08
Timespiraled
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Inscribe is from hand.

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Sat, 2017-06-10 20:17
WindyDelcarlo
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Oh, never mind then. I didn't realize that there were splice cards that target. I imagine trial is paid before targets similarly then. I don't have actual precedent for a trial effect on cast; all the ones for tribute-like effects were on resolution or on ETB

Mon, 2017-06-12 04:15
WindyDelcarlo
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Alright, we have to hit another card with a ban real quick.

Deadly Manipulation: This card is really powerful. The only reason it presently exists is because we completely missed it. I'm sure this comes as no surprise if you've done any amount of testing, but for those who haven't: This card provides insane late-game inevitability. With a counterspell in your graveyard, it makes every card drawn a copy of that counterspell. Once the board state is controlled, you can recur card draw, tutor effects, direct or mass removal, win conditions, etc. to win the game practically upon resolution.

Also, of note: We are locked in here. Because of the upcoming tournament, we can't keep banning more cards, so we invite you to go right ahead and break the format. We're done noticing problems.

Mon, 2017-06-12 04:27
Timespiraled
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To clarify, we're going to always try and give 5 days of safety before tournaments. That way you'll at least have time to make sure nothing changes. Also, after GP Alexandria, you can expect some cards to get changed/fixed but that will be post tournament so no worries.

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Fri, 2017-09-01 16:20
WindyDelcarlo
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Hey guys, we've finally done something relatively on time! GP Baghdad is just around the corner, but before your decks are confirmed, there's a few changes to the plugin you need to know about:

Patch Notes wrote:
MSEM 2.1.0
PATCH DATE: September 1st, 2017

BALANCE CHANGES:
• Lha Elite cost changed from W -> 1W
• Cranial Violation rework:
• Cost changed from B -> BB
• Only discards creature cards
• Reanimation effect tweaked to be more resource intensive
• Mei Liva, the Forsaken +2 drains opponents for 2 instead of all players for a greater ammount
• Untouched Wilds rework:
• Type changed from enchantment to sorcery
• Cost changed from G -> 2G
• Ability refocused on lands in graveyard
• Lady Kiyomi no longer creates tokens of creatures you control
• Spellbane's Strike no longer discards cards but instead causes the opponent to lose life
• Abyssal Nightcaster no longer lets you use cards you own in exile

WORDING CHANGES:
• Inscribe has been updated to clarify what zones you can pay inscribe costs from
• Danuri Custodian and Fortress Sentinel have had their abilities reworded into upkeep triggers to prevent layer issues
• Soulstone Servant and Garrison Mobilier have had their abilities reworded into attack triggers to prevent layer issues

BUG FIXES:
• Bygone Blade now correctly checks if it is "attached"
• Halls of Renown now correctly checks for "counter on you"
• Glory Counters now display correct wording
• Ultima cards have picked up integreated wording
• Fixed an issue where an extra 'h' was incorrectly displayed in Sara, Entelan Elementalist
• Fixed an issue regarding an older Hasty Intervention render
• Fixed an issue causing Accursed Existence to have both a triggered ability and a replacement effect in the same ability
• Fixed an issue where set promos would override regular cards in deck construction
• Fixed an issue causing the SoR promo of Esiara, Skycaster's Infiltrator to display incorrect wording
• Fixed an issue that caused a sealed booster pack of Ophorio to output less than 15 cards

Assuming all goes well, we should be back in a month with hopefully some new sets. In the mean time, good luck, and may you dodge mana screw!

Sat, 2017-09-02 09:18
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Abyssal Nightcaster also has "until end of turn" and "this turn" in its rules text, while we're fixing things.

Remind yourself that overconfidence is a slow and insidious killer.

Sat, 2017-09-02 12:36
fluffyDeathbringer
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Oh, and Halls of Renown should say "only if you have a counter" as per the experience counter commanders and Phyrexian Swarmlord.

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Sat, 2017-09-02 14:00
Cajun
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That's what I had it at originally and half of r/CM told me it was wrong x.x

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Sat, 2017-09-02 14:04
fluffyDeathbringer
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Then unless someone can conjure citations that contradict mine, half of r/cm was wrong.

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Sat, 2017-09-02 14:10
Cajun
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I went looking when you brought it up and got nothing. experience counters do the same as Swarmlord.

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Sat, 2017-09-02 14:37
jacqui-pup
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Are there any two-card combos (not, like, Conflagration Storm) in the format?

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Sat, 2017-09-02 14:48
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Adapt or Die and Herald of Oblivion makes for a decent niche deck.

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Sat, 2017-09-02 15:44
WindyDelcarlo
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Savage Congregation can get many copies of Dragonwall Fragment. You have to have a creature power 4 or greater to turn that on, but it does end the game.

Sat, 2017-09-02 23:11
HerziQuerzi
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108 card dragonwall congregation is garbage

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Sat, 2017-09-02 23:59
WindyDelcarlo
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Why 108 card?