Card of the Week Contest #167: High Profile, Low Rarity

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Wed, 2017-05-10 15:19
aquaumisa
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Well, guess I'll go simple then.

Shrine of Sanctified Peace 2 mana symbolWhite mana symbol
Legendary Enchantment- Shrine Uncommon
Creatures can't attack you unless it's controller pays X mana symbol, where X is the number of Shrines you control.

Step: zero to one

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Wed, 2017-05-10 17:57
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@Curse of Swine: Nice. First the sex monkeys, and now this. I wonder if you're riffing on the Japanese terminology for soulbond, 関係を作る. Also, you can clean up the templating a bit by changing '...creature token. It has "When...' to '...creature token with "When...'. Also also, I'll just leave this here...

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Wed, 2017-05-10 18:34
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Please don't swear on the site, sdfkjgh. Your comment in this thread has been edited accordingly.

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Wed, 2017-05-10 18:35
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Wed, 2017-05-10 19:36
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I am withdrawing my original entry, as I don't feel it's possible to make a legitimate legendary uncommon design without rehashing ground that's already been trodden in this context. Siege of Fortress Karav should be a rare, as should most of the designs here that actually feel legendary as opposed to the supertype slapped onto a random uncommon. Truth be told, I don't much like this challenge for precisely that reason, so, um... I guess consider this a protest entry? (Will be edited into my first post.)

Vectron, God of Stuff 6 mana symbol
Legendary Enchantment Creature - God Uncommon
Indestructible
As long as your devotion to Vectron is less than seven, Vectron isn't a creature. (Each time you've praised Vectron this turn counts towards your devotion to Vectron.)

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Wed, 2017-05-10 20:03
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@thehuw: I think the new monument cycle in Amonkhet is a good guide for what can be done in this design space. The flavor explains why it's legendary, and the legendary status functions as a drawback which means the cards can then be a bit more powerful to balance that out.

Wed, 2017-05-10 20:09
thehuw
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@Aarhg: As a counterpoint, I don't think the Amonkhet monuments really mechanically justify their legendary status. If flavor alone could make something actually, properly legendary, I could just make a slightly above-curve vanilla creature and say it's some specific named character, and maybe that works once (Isamaru, Hound of Konda, and I'd question whether it works even there), but to me it doesn't feel right.

Legendary permanents should feel special, and I feel it's extremely hard to make them special enough below rare.

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Wed, 2017-05-10 20:30
Aarhg
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@thehuw: That's fair. I don't think that a card should necessarily only rely on flavor to be legendary. I like for non-rare legends to make sense mechanically as well. The hondens from Kamigawa would have been too good (for Kamigawa's power level) if you could have four of the same color one in play at the same time.

It may be hard to make a really well crafted uncommon or even common legendary whatever, but I like the times Wizards have done it. To each their own.

Thu, 2017-05-11 09:39
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Personally I think the biggest worry with Common/Uncommon Legendaries is their potential to flood the limited pool with multiples and thus result in feel bad situations where you cannot use multiple copies of a card. It's worth noting this is something you can step around with for Planeswalkers below Rare since you can simply leave the subtypeline blank but for Legendaries you pretty much have to design around the drawback (hence the number of DFC/Grandeur submissions here).

Re:Monuments - On one hand, I see that they were trying to go for Honden of Cleansing Fire style stuff and I think careful use of flavor can justify a Legendary, but the emphasis is "careful". The monuments don't feel particularly legendary IMHO because in my eyes they're just buildings constructed by people - the guild lands like Vitu-Ghazi the City-Tree felt far more legendary and those weren't even actual legendaries, just lands with abilities. Like, I'm all for the Eron the Relentless or even Chandler//Joven, but the card has to feel like it does something unique both from a flavor and mechanical perspective - Eron provides regeneration in a color that doesn't usually get access to it (hence the Time Spiral reprint) and Chandler/Joven are repeatable destruciton for a specific niche.

As I see it, improper use of flavor gets you the Monuments, where they read more like "pushed card" than 'epic entity'. Impromper use of mechanics gets you Kamigawa, where everything has a cool story but some cards are just flat out unremarkable in a deck. Both of these problems will become a lot more apparent if you try to put Legendary status in a situation where you're more likely to get a lot of them, e.g. "all the rares are Legendary" or "let's put Legendaries at Uncommon/Common"

As for the the challenge itself, I'd say the above problems make it a bit awkward to work with as a result and there's definitely a few designs here that either would be better off at Rare or don't really need that Legendary supertype.


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Thu, 2017-05-11 12:54
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It was tough to make this balanced as well as appealing. I'm welcome to any balancing feedback. In hindsight, I realise did not factor in the card advantage of an extra commander in balancing the card.

Thu, 2017-05-11 13:40
Asthanius
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@angelic_bovines: Not only is Lieutenant already a keyword, but that's incredibly similar to Partner, even if they do different things.

Thu, 2017-05-11 14:11
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Even with a Partner-esque mechanic I feel like there isn't a good reason to put a partner commander below Mythic Rare or Rare due to how Commander products work.


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Thu, 2017-05-11 20:03
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@ ZephyrPhantom: Many thanks for the update. I really don't understand your idea of permaexiling cards. Why would flash do it?

Thu, 2017-05-11 20:34
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@Angelic_Bovines ignoring the already existing mechanic, and the commander rarity problem, I really like the card.

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Fri, 2017-05-12 07:14
Angelic_Bovines
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Totally forgot the existing lieutenant keyword! I must not be browsing gatherer as much as I used to.

@Asthanius I understand it's very similar to partner, but it has a different strategic element - am I willing to weaken one commander to gain another?

Fri, 2017-05-12 07:50
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For being able to add White/black mana symbol color identity to any Red mana symbol/Green mana symbol/Blue mana symbol commander I'd definitely say it's worth the 1 mana symbol cost increase even if I never casted Kan at all. Makes it too easy to turn a monocolor commander deck multicolor IMHO - I'd personally avoid putting this keyword on multicolor legendaries.


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Fri, 2017-05-12 13:49
Angelic_Bovines
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Good feedback all around. Thanks.

New entry:

Fri, 2017-05-12 16:33
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Sun, 2017-05-14 12:21
one1eye1

I couldn't solve the Colorless mana symbol-issue, so I switched to another style, because - why not Stick out your tongue.

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Sat, 2017-05-13 09:57
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Install Beleren font for your M15 templates...
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Sat, 2017-05-13 12:39
Kajarak32
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@one1eye1: This new version of your entry seems to take this card past uncommon territory imo. It definitely feels rare with all that's going on now.

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Sat, 2017-05-13 15:28
one1eye1

Yes its probably rare...but i don't have the time to change it properly...

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Sat, 2017-05-13 15:38
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It doesn't go into any folder, one1eye1. It's a font file - you right-click it and select install.

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Sat, 2017-05-13 18:19
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Sat, 2017-05-13 23:56
Mahx Michael
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@one1eye1
Yes, the font files are installers that will install the font directly to your system, either by double-clicking and accepting or right-clicking and select install. You might need admin access though...

Sun, 2017-05-14 12:21
one1eye1

Thanks Michael!
I came up with something new. It has more sense being a legendary.

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Sun, 2017-05-14 17:05
Curse of Swine

I have edited my card, think I have the right font now and I changed the art to something I like a little better. I swapped the creature types around but left succubus on there. Personally I like more types on the cards. It is more stuff to play with and reference as more cards are created in the future. It really bugs me that mummies are just zombies that have been wrapped in bandages. What does Tom Cruise even have to worry about? I don't know how to differentiate between uncommon and rare legends other than power level/complexity so I tried to keep that at uncommon level and focused on flavor. Also, she's a mom! Happy Mother's Day!

Mon, 2017-05-15 03:22
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Mon, 2017-05-15 04:42
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Second Sun's Ascension White mana symbol
Legendary Enchantment - Aura Uncommon
Enchant creature
Enchanted creature is legendary and gets +1/+1 for each legendary permanent you control.


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Mon, 2017-05-15 15:59
Pixi-Rex
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Entry

Mon, 2017-05-15 17:21
Asthanius
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@Pixi-Rex: I know it's probably too late to change, but I don't think The Last Uninfected has any reason to be legendary other than pure flavor, as it's no more powerful than the cycle of common Myr in Scars of Mirrodin (i.e. Copper Myr and co.) I would do the following:

The Last Uninfected 2 mana symbol
Legendary Artifact Creature - Myr Uncommon
Whenever ~ becomes tapped, it doesn't untap during your next untap step.
Tap symbol: Add Colorless mana symbolColorless mana symbol to your mana pool.
2/2

I made it uncommon because the untap clause MIGHT have memory issues at common.

Mon, 2017-05-15 19:07
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This thread is now closed, the poll can be found here.

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