Card of the Week Contest #159: Coloring Outside the Lines

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Tue, 2017-03-14 17:45
HaSuOrbs
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Let the chaos fill your soul, changeing mind is our goal so that noone can us control.

Tue, 2017-03-14 18:18
Vunik
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Uh... HaSuOrbs? Blue doesn't get direct damage at all anymore.

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Tue, 2017-03-14 18:22
digiman619
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@HaSuOrbs: Make it red and it'll be great, but as is, it's off-color, as neither Green mana symbol or Blue mana symbol gets direct damage, especially to players.

Tue, 2017-03-14 18:24
Cajun
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It would probably be fine on a red creature but Green/blue mana symbol definitely doesn't get direct damage.

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Tue, 2017-03-14 19:12
HaSuOrbs
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@Vunik
The mechanic was used (long time ago, but still). There is no point in thinking that there is no way that they could revisit old inventions.

@digiman619
Green ping: Bee Sting, Hornet Sting
Blue ping: Capricious Sorcerer, Hermetic Study, Psionic Blast, Thornwind Faeries, Psionic Gift etcpp.

it existed. and sooooo ..... A happy smile

@Cajun
Blue had ping, green had it also. so mishmash it together.
Being creative is the point of an design contest. Set your own rules, otherwise it gets boring very fast. A happy smile

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Tue, 2017-03-14 19:13
thehuw
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@HaSuOrbs: The cards you cite are all either extremely old or from Time Spiral block, which is a notoriously terrible source of color pie precedents. These changes were made for a reason, and changing back when so much consideration was put into changing them over in the first place seems extremely unlikely.

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Tue, 2017-03-14 19:15
ZephyrPhantom
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Being creative is encouraged but you still have to follow the rules of the color pie, otherwise every color inevitably gets everything and then there's no reason to have five colors at all.


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Tue, 2017-03-14 19:37
digiman619
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The most recent Green mana symbol one was 6 years ago, and Blue mana symbol, other than a reprint in the first Eternal Masters, hasn't had a direct damage effect in over 10 years. There's probably a good reason they haven't done it since.

Tue, 2017-03-14 20:11
HaSuOrbs
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Flavour >>>>> Colorpile

I don't let the pile limit my creativity. As long as the flavor of the entrance makes sence in its way I don't see any reason not to post it.

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Tue, 2017-03-14 20:19
thehuw
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HaSuOrbs wrote:
Flavour >>>>> Colorpile

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To elaborate: if you believe that the flavor of a card has objective primacy over one of the game's most fundamental principles, I don't really know what to say to you right now.

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Thu, 2017-03-16 19:05
CrimsonReaper

Abhorrent Ultimatum 2 mana symbolWhite mana symbol
Instant - Trap Uncommon
If exactly two creatures are attacking you, you may pay Black mana symbol instead of paying Abhorrent Ultimatum's mana cost.
Target player sacrifices an attacking creature.
"Only one of you will leave here alive..."

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Tue, 2017-03-14 20:31
HaSuOrbs
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Just: Nothing

Let me be in my little world where art is about the aproach of an artist fitting the requested result. By his own rules. Artists are crazy people, open minded and ruleless (exept their own) A happy smile

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Tue, 2017-03-14 20:37
fluffyDeathbringer
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And yet you're trying to fit a result someone else requested. You can't really have it two ways.

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Tue, 2017-03-14 20:39
Asthanius
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HaSuOrbs: I agree with you, but this isn't about art. It's about creating good mechanical designs. If you want to make an entire block of cards based on flavor, that's fine! More power to you! But it doesn't match the intent of the contest.

Tue, 2017-03-14 21:07
Mahx Michael
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@FluffyDeathbringer

Ansvers to your replies:

  1. The actual race of this creature is not specified in magic... and is actually really hard to tell.
  2. Green creatures still have it sometimes... (Example: Glissa Sunseeker)
  3. Yes, i should probably make it 2 mana symbolRed mana symbol or 2 damage.
  4. OK, I see. I would have to change it to a spesific creature's full name. I'll do that.
  5. Ooops, forgot that one
  6. Well, actually Deja View was my last entry... But yes, if it was several different, that would be confusing.
  7. True, it should be rare.

Anyways, I think I've found something better...

Tue, 2017-03-14 20:41
Neottolemo
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I don't think you realise what ignoring the colour pie means when you start playing your cards together with other cards instead of evaluating each one individually. When the colour pie gets ignored, some things that immediatly happen are that each colour loses its weaknesses and that each colour becomes able to do anything. Therefore, strategy and deckbulding become a whole lot less complex and boil down to "play all the best cards" and each deck becomes almost identical to every other deck. And that isn't really what Magic is about at all.

Tue, 2017-03-14 20:42
Vunik
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I'm pretty sure we're all fine with you living in your own little world, but before you trap yourself in it's dark deep depths, let me elaborate on why art (and artists) aren't without rules. It's three simple words: restriction breeds creativity. If you have no restrictions, there's no reason to do anything different, to think outside the box. The most amazing ideas and solutions come from situations with heavy restrictions on what can be done to solve a problem. If you believe that you can create art without some form of structure, so be it.

(As for flavor > color pie, I personally fail to see how the pinging on your card relates to Blue mana symbol, even in flavor, other than the rider of making the next instant/sorcery cost a single generic more.)

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Tue, 2017-03-14 20:44
thehuw
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Mahx Michael wrote:
Green creatures still have it...

Unless I've missed one, the last mono-green creature to have first strike natively, without any help from other colors, was Glissa Sunseeker, a card which is now fourteen years old.

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Tue, 2017-03-14 20:47
Mahx Michael
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Either way, my card gets out of context in this challenge, so I'm working on something else.

Tue, 2017-03-14 20:50
Neottolemo
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@Fermat: I really like your card, but the art makes it seem like that creature should fly.

Sun, 2017-03-19 19:50
Mahx Michael
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Another wierd name, but this time I'm the one to blame

Entry wrote:
Spark Catcher 2 mana symbolRed mana symbol
Creature - Human Wizard Rare
Whenever you cast a spell, if that spell resolves, add Red mana symbol to your mana pool.
1 mana symbolBlue mana symbol, Tap symbol: Counter target instant or sorcery spell, then exile it. Until end of turn, you may cast that spell for its converted mana cost.
1/2
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Change Log
  • Removed hexproof
  • Updated wording

Tue, 2017-03-14 22:20
finofashark
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Had a hard time to come up with something this week so just went with a piece of art that kind of worked.


Linvala's Attendent 3 mana symbolWhite mana symbolWhite mana symbol
Creature - Angel Uncommon
Flying
5 mana symbolRed mana symbol,Tap symbol: Exile target artifact.
Once the titans had been erased Linvala decried the hedrons should also be cleansed.

Tue, 2017-03-14 22:56
Vunik
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@fin Something tells me that "cleansing" the hedrons isn't a terribly good idea...

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Tue, 2017-03-14 23:08
Cajun
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Flavor > Color Pie works for bends, ie, when it's doing something unusual but not defeating the weakness of the color (white prowess, black first strike, etc.). Doesn't hold up for breaks, like Blue mana symbol pingers.

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Tue, 2017-03-14 23:12
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@finofashark: Why would you want to tap your 4/4 flier for a smelt?

@Mahx: Why does red have hexproof now?

@Crimsonreaper: Lit flavor.

@Hasuorbs: ???????????????????

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Tue, 2017-03-14 23:17
ZephyrPhantom
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I gotta say, I'm really enjoying the colorful discussion this CoTW's had so far. A happy smile


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Wed, 2017-03-15 00:39
Aarhg
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Even though I think my first design was pretty cool, I've made another one I like a bit better.

...and here it is.

Horizon Chaser 2 mana symbolBlue mana symbol
Creature - Beast Uncommon
Flying
Infuse Green mana symbol - When Horizon Chaser enters the battlefield, if Green mana symbol was spent to cast it, you may search your library for a basic land card, reveal it, and put it into your hand. If you do, shuffle your library.
It's curious in every sense of the word.
2/2

Infuse is an old ability word I used for a CoTW challenge back in 2015. I remembered that it would fit this challenge rather neatly, and so I created this little fella.

Wed, 2017-03-15 00:30
sdfkjgh
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@huw: would etbft be enough?

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Thu, 2017-03-16 04:02
Touhoufanatic
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have had this lying around barely started since i found the image and knew i needed to make a card using it, and this gave me the perfect idea and reason to flesh it out and complete it.
so please, tell me what you think. constructive criticism is very welcome!
As are Eldrazi tentacle hugs.

Edit: Altered power, wording issues and fixed punctuation.

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Wed, 2017-03-15 04:05
Ziolang
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@1CMC Mana dorks and my card: I gave my card the drawback to make it more like the mana dork that taps for Black mana symbol at the cost of 1 life. Also the last time we got a 1cmc mana dork was elvish mystic in m15, unless you coubt honored hiarch. Therefire my card is intentionally underpowered compared to elvish mystic but circumstantially useful in any modern+ format.


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Wed, 2017-03-15 05:35
bazzboda

@Touhoufanatic,
My suggestions.

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Whenever ~ deals (combat?) damage to a creature, you may pay COST. If you do, gain control of that creature, it becomes an Eldrazi in addition to its other types.

My lady, Emrakul, answered my pleas, and gave me a future I never knew. Now I live to give others this same gift, such that they may understand.

Also your font is not in belerin, and is she supposed to be colourless? Further, doesn't she kill a lot of things she hits?

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Wed, 2017-03-15 10:35
finofashark
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@Vunik No, no it is not. I thought the flavour behind the card would be Linvala has decided that anything to do with the Eldrazi are bad and should be removed. Including the hedrons that trapped them (maybe she doesn't know this) leading her to be a white villan in the next zendikar block (but really meaning to do well for the plane)
@Jacqui-pup maybe it's your only blocker and they have metalwork colossus? I felt it needed tap as repeatable exile of artifacts even with a high cost is likely far too strong

Wed, 2017-03-15 12:05
Mahx Michael
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@jacqui-pup
Yeah, you've got a point there...

Wed, 2017-03-15 15:07
Touhoufanatic
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@bazzboda : and this is why i shouldn't make cards in the evenings.
i can understand the combat damage specification, though i had figured id word it the way i did to allow for quicksilver dagger shenanigans. bad idea?
th font is the one my set editor used by default. so something must have gone weird with it. as to the color/card type, i originally had used a colorless frame as the image wouldn't fit on a normal card nicely. the devoid template looked the best while still allowing readability. probably should give her devoid though for some flavor.
new version will be up tonight. hopefully

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Fri, 2017-03-17 17:06
Gurfle
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Color pie is hard

New entry (on original post too).
Yes, I do know that lords usually only affect other creatures, but it's not like I win these things so as long as my concept gets across the board I consider it alright.

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Wed, 2017-03-15 23:08
jacqui-pup
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Why does white get deathtouch now?????? What?????

I mean if you had a BB cost and a WW activated ability it'd be in color.

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Thu, 2017-03-16 00:47
Gurfle
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@jacqui...
Well I'll be damned. I got so caught up in the black cat token thing I forgot the original card was white and gave Deathtouch-- I'll fix it soon-ish.

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Thu, 2017-03-16 06:52
Emmit Gandlodder
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I like dwarves.

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Thu, 2017-03-16 19:04
CrimsonReaper

Updated with render!

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Alternative card art

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Thu, 2017-03-16 22:13
Mahx Michael
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@CrimsonReaper
The second art probably fits the card flavor best.


Anyone finding anything else with my entry unpleasant, or can I settle with this?

Fri, 2017-03-17 04:25
grishnax
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Armadillo Rider 1 mana symbolBlack mana symbol
Creature — Human Rogue Uncommon
2 mana symbolGreen mana symbolWhite mana symbol: Armadillo Rider gets +2/+2 and gains lifelink and trample until end of turn. Activate this ability only once each turn.
2/2

I'll post a render if I find good art of someone riding an armadillo. And that's a big "if".

Fri, 2017-03-17 04:51
bazzboda

Thoughts on first page cards posted after thehuw's feedback (excluding my own, though I would greatly appreciate it if someone did offer their thoughts on it.).

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@Ziolang, I feel that the only to cast creatures downside feels more green than red. Maybe instants and sorceries would work better?

@SilverSoul.SB, The red effect needs a source. So, ~ deals 2 damage.

@jacqui-pup, in regards to it being a more complex card, and the build around nature of the second ability I think this might be better as a rare. I also think it would be cleaner if the optional mana was just red, rather than blue or red. However it is a very enjoyable card to see.

@spazlaz, if this sends the top card of your library to the graveyard anyway, their is no need to reveal it, as going to the graveyard is done revealed. Also pretty sure the second ability needs to be "Whenever a creature dealt damage by ~ this turn dies".

@Asthanius, considering lands that can, but likely won't, produce mana of any colour could produce black mana, this seems off. I would suggest going with "if MANA was spent to cast this X".

@Angelic_Bovines, interesting. However just to mention red has no one mana cards that also have flying(at least not in a traditional manner). So you might want to bump the cost up to two, however even then, Impetuous Sunchaser, the only recent card that's comparable is still a good deal weaker. Which is fine, just worth noting, and wasn't that strong so you could probably be able to remove the tap cost from the second ability, which I think would make it a bit cleaner.

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Fri, 2017-03-17 15:36
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Stormtide Mage Blue mana symbol
Creature - Human Wizard Rare
Flying, Vigilance
Echo Green mana symbolWhite mana symbolBlue mana symbol
When Stormtide Mage’s echo cost is paid, all creatures gain flying until end of turn.
4/3

Fri, 2017-03-17 17:11
SilverSoul.SB
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Thanks Bazzboda.

Any other feedback for my card?

Fri, 2017-03-17 17:12
Ziolang
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@Bazzboda It's very Gruul. The card fits the red/green creatures matter archetype the best.


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Fri, 2017-03-17 17:22
Neottolemo
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@Mahx: Your card should either exile the spell if it's countered, and then let you cast it again from exile, or it should create a copy of that spell. Also, "the" should become "that" in the first ability. The first ability kind of worries me, even though I'm not exactly a Storm expert, and the second one is probably a bit undercosted, since it's repeatable countering with upside.

Fri, 2017-03-17 17:27
Gurfle
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Post updated with appropriate color abilities, just scroll up a bit.

@Mahx-- I get you want constructive criticism for your card, but if no one says anything then it's probably generally fine. People usually point out if something is glaringly wrong with a card's design, myself included. So it's probably fine for the contest, and even if there's a few wording issues the point will get across just dandy.

Now, paradoxical to my other statement, there's some wording issues.
--First ability should have "that spell" as opposed to "the spell"
--Second ability should specify when you are able to cast it and for how long, for example,
"Counter target instant or sorcery spell. If that spell is countered this way, exile it instead of putting it into its owner's graveyard. You may cast that spell for as long as it remains in exile." which would imply you have to use the correct colors, or if you wanted just a total CMC, you could tack on "and you may use mana as though it were mana of any color to cast it." onto the end of it.

Or you could have it be a spur of the moment thing, such as
"Counter target instant or sorcery spell. If that spell is countered this way, you may pay X, where X is the countered spell's converted mana cost. If you do, copy that spell. You may choose new targets for the copy."

I'm sure my wording might be a bit off (I used Spelljack as my reference), but it's something along those lines.

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Sat, 2017-03-18 04:15
replicase

Explosive Sporulation 1 mana symbol Green mana symbol
Tribal Sorcery-Fungus Uncommon
As an additional cost to cast Explosive Sporulation, sacrifice a Fungus.
Put three 1/1 green Saproling creature tokens onto the battlefield.
If Red mana symbol was spent to cast Explosive Sporulation, deal two damage to target creature or player.

Sat, 2017-03-18 04:37
Gurfle
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@replicase
The wording for tokens has been changed to something much more space-conserving and is first featured in the first set of Kaladesh:
"Create"
as in (for your entry):
"Create three 1/1 green Saproling tokens."

Whilst your wording is still technically right and gets the point across, just thought I'd let you know for future reference and/or if you want to change it on this one.

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Sun, 2017-03-19 13:26
ALEX Ryugami
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@thehuw: The cost and restriction was intentional because I don't want to make it too good, but maybe I weakened it too much.

Anyway, my new submission:

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