Card of the Week Contest #143: Trigger Happy

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Wed, 2016-11-16 02:58
jacqui-pup
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Should be "becomes ruthless" and probably should not let you sac itself.

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Wed, 2016-11-16 03:09
KalvinHobbez
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So I'll throw my new entry out here. Now this one is a lot stranger and probably isn't even worded right. But I'll explain the story behind how this weird concept came about with another huge as usual spoiler of its design.

Design Philosophy
This is probably one of my more older card ideas and I've been attached to it the entire time. Just something about how it came out with the design, art, and everything makes me enjoy it a lot. I usually don't make such strange mechanics, but there's a reason why I felt this one could make sense...because this card is a direct callback to Mana Burn.

Now I did not play MTG during the time of mana burn, but I found the idea of such a rule pretty interesting. As a fundamental part of the game, I don't think it feels right to keep. But as something a card or a few cards could purposely create...now that can get interesting. Green and Red make the most sense for the colors, as mana is green and burn is red...it's right there in the name already! Now as I love Commander, I wanted to essentially make a Legendary Creature that could have a deck built around it and essentially recreate mana burn for the battle.

Flavor-wise, I could make this card be some kind of masochistic mage that loves the idea of overdoing his own mana and thus mana burning him and others who dare follow his footsteps...but let me explain why I settled on such an odd idea as the Dipper Slug. The slug itself came about from an idea I had a while back of making a card for jokes sake. Essentially, I challenged myself to make an old styled card with a purposely long explanation due to a complicated mechanic, such as Chains of Mephistopheles. I found this art by Diana Levin and I just really liked how it looked and I got attached to the idea of it. So the original idea I had was a legend that allows you to tap your opponents lands as if they were your own, but only in specific conditions. This made for an incredibly wordy card that just felt funny to look at...but I wanted to do more with the idea.

Evolving over time, I eventually got to the point where I thought of a different way to screw around with an opponent's lands...and actually make it a throwback to another mechanic. Already you know what that mechanic is as I said it was mana burn earlier. Mana burn technically was life loss and was only 1 per mana, but I've noticed that the effect is incredibly weak on its own due to this effect being removable from the field. Even as the creature is right now, I've playtested forms of it and he seemed to be very weak. I have not playtested this version, but I feel as if it's a more interesting and probably more balanced form. If he doesn't seem too powerful, just think of what cards can be used in the deck he is in. Overabundance for a simple additional damage, any mana duplicators like Dictate of Karametra or Heartbeat of Spring for risk and reward behind your mana. Whenever Nekusar, the Mindrazer was revealed for a commander deck in the past I fell in love with the idea of "benefit opponent, make them suffer for it" as a mechanic...so the Dipper Slug is probably my take at such a method of design.

So in summary, The Dipper Slug is just a card design I've gotten attached to and the art and character with it makes me find it adorable yet devious at the same time. A small slug with such odd power behind your mana just makes me smile. If the idea is enjoyed, I could maybe create actual flavor behind him or story. Also, if anyone wants to see what that abomination of a card the first draft of the Dipper Slug is (the one purposely made to be long) I still have it on me somewhere.

Now I recently redid this card and can't decide on what to settle on, so I'd want to see what others thing of a path to take with this card. With the most complicated version being shown to show what I wanted to do, I feel bad making my entry be like this when I mentioned the same kind of issue with Wapulatus' entry...but I'd like to try and make mine more clean in effect. Other version I had in mind was just the mana burn styled effect on its own, then making him cost R/G instead.

The Dipper Slug Red mana symbolGreen mana symbolGreen mana symbol
Legendary Creature - Insect Rare
Whenever a player taps a land for mana, that player adds one mana to his or her mana pool of any type that land produced.
Whenever mana would empty from a player’s mana pool, The Dipper Slug deals 2 damage to that player for each mana emptied. (Unused mana empties from a player’s mana pool at the end of each phase.)
1/4

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Wed, 2016-11-16 03:11
Vunik
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@jacqui Good point. I'll make those changes.

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Wed, 2016-11-16 06:09
bioplay
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im sorry...

what have i done...
The Internet Troll 3 mana symbolRed mana symbol
Creature - Human Rare
If a triggered ability of a creature is triggered, that ability triggers an additional time.
"I'm feeling so...TRIGGERED."

why am i so stupid...

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Wed, 2016-11-16 11:43
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@Pixi: Thanks for the feedback, glad that you like it.

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Wed, 2016-11-16 13:48
Mahx Michael
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@bioplay
I have no idea... Laugh Out Loud Nah, just kidding.
As for your entry I recomend you word it "If another triggered ability...".
If not, that other ability will trigger three times instead og two.

Sun, 2016-11-20 19:56
Inverness
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I had too many ideas, so I decided to just go with one.

Text Version:

Truth, Despair, and Hope 9 mana symbolColorless mana symbolColorless mana symbolColorless mana symbol
Creature - Eldrazi Mythic Rare
When you cast Truth, Despair, and Hope, each player reveals their hand and all face-down cards they own.
When Truth, Despair, and Hope enters the battlefield, exile all other face-up and revealed cards and turn them face-down.
7/1

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EDITS:

So, I thought about what the card was actually doing, and just worded it to do that. It puts the players in a Worldfire-esque situation, where it's basically a crazy top-decking scenario to see who can get cards out.

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Truth, Despair, and Hope 9 mana symbolColorless mana symbolColorless mana symbolColorless mana symbol
Creature - Eldrazi Mythic Rare
When you cast Truth, Despair, and Hope, each player reveals their hand and all face-down cards they own.
When Truth, Despair, and Hope enters the battlefield, exile all other face-up and revealed cards and turn them face-down.
7/1

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Bonus points to anyone who gets the reference in this card's name!

Wed, 2016-11-16 14:22
Mahx Michael
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@Iverness
I can't really say I understand what this card really does. I recomend you change the ability wording to something that actually makes sense.

Wed, 2016-11-16 14:55
Daij_Djan
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I actually think I get it - I don't think it works as intended (as the cards are only "revealed" during the cast trigger's resolution), though..


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Wed, 2016-11-16 15:00
Sylphiod
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My votes on Trigger Harpy. The world needs more harpies

All these triggering card I say no.

Stifling Orb 2 mana symbol
Artifact Rare
Spells and abilities can't cause abilities to trigger.
It's the only thing keeping the fair from hosting itself.

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Wed, 2016-11-16 15:27
Inverness
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Mahx, Daij:

Sorry. I wasn't really sure how to word the effect I was going for. The intent was that the cast trigger reveals all players' hands and all morph cards (and other face-down cards, such as those from Bomat Courier.) That's the "Truth" part.

The ETB trigger is supposed to exile all face-up cards from the battlefield and from graveyards (so pretty much all of them, since they were revealed earlier), and all the cards that were revealed from players' hands. Like a reduced version of Worldfire. That's the "Despair" part.

The fact that it only has 1 toughness is the "Hope" part, since virtually any removal spell will get rid of it.

Looking back, you guys are right. It has a lot of issues... time to simplify.

Wed, 2016-11-16 20:30
Gurfle
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Welp, I'm pretty happy with this.

(The flavor text is supposed to be like "It's go time", it's a terrible joke I know)

Thought I'd go with a specifically commander card this week, seeing as how a lot of my EDH games involve so many triggered abilities.

Feedback and the like is not only welcomed, but appreciated.

Edits: •Changed Name from "Commander Ooze" to "Right-Hand Ooze"
•Added "Advisor" subtype.

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Wed, 2016-11-16 19:35
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@Gurfle: The name makes it seem like the Ooze itself is the commander. I suggest to replace it. Perhaps name it 'Lioozetenant'? The ability itself seems very interesting! It'd be very narrow outside of commander even if it didn't have the lieutenant clause, but from what I know about EDH, I think it could serve its purpose rather well there, yeah A happy smile

Wed, 2016-11-16 20:28
Gurfle
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@Neo
It's narrow, but that's why Lieutenant is there, because EDH is filled with 'em, especially in Blue mana symbolGreen mana symbol colors. Also, it's not a legendary you control, so it can even be an Ooze Ninja Spy. Which is glorious to me and my sense of humor.

Lioozetenant -- I. Freaking. Love that name. But I think it's a bit pushed (pun-wise), but that made me laugh alright! I decided on "Right Hand Ooze" and made it an "Ooze Advisor", because, well, why not? (Other than the fact most oozes aren't conscious enough to be advisors-- bah! I do what I want).

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Wed, 2016-11-16 21:05
bioplay
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@Mahx: If I were to render that, I would do it silver-border just because of flavor. That's not my actual entry, I just couldn't resist the awful joke. And I actually don't think the ability is a triggered ability in itself, so I think what you said isn't quite true. I could be mistaken, but I think, technically speaking, it's a replacement ability. From Panharmonicon's ruling:

Gatherer Card Rulings wrote:
• 9/20/2016: If you control two Panharmonicons, an artifact or creature entering the battlefield causes abilities to trigger three times, not four. A third Panharmonicon causes abilities to trigger four times, a fourth causes abilities to trigger five times, and so on.

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Thu, 2016-11-17 12:50
Mahx Michael
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Troll!


Added render.
Would have been fun if someone else managed to recognize some of the people/characters in the picture. I personally didn't recognize them before I read the description A happy smile


@sdfkjgh
You reffered to my entry as "my best work to date", the design I spent half a minute to scrape together. Should I take that as a compliment, or an insult?

Thu, 2016-11-17 14:08
Inverness
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Mahx:

It could just mean that you're trying too hard. I fall into that trap sometimes, and then I get really bent out of shape when I don't even get a single vote.

Thu, 2016-11-17 14:45
Mahx Michael
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Well, I guess I'm a little try-hard, or more precisely, I like it overkill
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Thu, 2016-11-17 18:34
sdfkjgh
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@Mahx: take it as the compliment it was meant to be. I had no idea how long it took you to create your entry when I offered my 2¢, all I saw was a much more exciting entry than all your previous entries. That's not to say that your previous entries were unexciting, far from it. You just managed to hit a new high-water mark with this one.

@bioplay: I already linked to that song in my previous megacritique; are you just taking up the banner?

@Gurfle: go with Loozetenant (or even L'Oozetenant). Right-Hand Ooze is a bit too esoteric, and not as funny. It took me a whole minute to get the "joke" of Right-Hand Ooze, and even then, it only elicited a meh. L'Oozetenant, on the other hand, cause me to spit-take. So, @Neot, congratulations on that, but you now owe me a new laptop. Milk is TERRIBLE for electronics!

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Thu, 2016-11-17 22:09
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@sdflgjhkdka
Thanks for the input, but I like to maintain a degree of reality whilst designing a card for names and such. Perhaps "Oozetenant" would appear on a modern card, but the odds are slim, and "Right-Hand Ooze" isn't a joke per se, just a name that's more likely to appear on a card. And I personally believe most people who have a working knowledge of Magic would understand the concept of a "right hand man". But thank you for the feedback and opinion.

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Thu, 2016-11-17 22:40
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@sdfkjgh: Nope, I'm just a diehard Weird Al fan. I usually don't read every post in these threads cuz they get very long very rapidly.

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Fri, 2016-11-18 00:25
KalvinHobbez
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Ill throw in a few card comments for now, as there are quite a few interesting ideas.

bioplay
To be honest, I was tempted to do something like this. Not specifically an "internet troll" but just a satirical card about how people have gotten very sensitive now a days and "triggered" in general makes for a joke now. You still did that in a way, anyways, so someone had to do it. Now your real entry like you said, but I've learned one way of designing new and unique card mechanics...is sometimes making really ridiculous ideas and run off what you get there. That's how Rocket-Powered Turbo Slug influenced the Pact cycle like Pact of Negation after all.

Inverness
I agree with others that the card is a bit confusing to understand, but I think I got the jist of it being like an Eldrazi form of Ixidron but minus the cards becoming creatures. The face-down part of the entire card feels unnecessary as you reveal the cards either way and face-down cards are meant to be unknown to the opponent...which doesn't matter if they were revealed recently. Besides that, it seems like this card is made to be casted more than once. So, if I'm reading it right, you essentially pile up face-down exiled cards from your opponent's hand. If I am thinking about it right, it seems pretty overcosted when it's essentially a 7/1 creature form of Identity Crisis minus the graveyard exile and it does it to everyone, including yourself. Now all of this is being said while I still somewhat get where you're coming from with this idea but it does seem to have potential.

Gurfle
I mentioned before that I have an attachment towards Simic and Oozes I do love, so already I'm into this idea. But adding on the Commander flavor completes it, as I'm primarily a huge EDH player. With that said, I feel like this card is undercosted somewhere but it's hard to tell. It's got both a legendary restriction and the Lieutenant restriction, but both the cost and ability are decently cheap. I'm thinking maybe the ability could cost 1 mana symbolBlue mana symbol, but that's just a guess as to why this card feels a bit awkward in costing for me.

Also with sdfkjgh's response, I honestly did not remember what "esoteric" meant and found it ironic how, when searching up the definition, it described itself. But anyways, I don't think "Right-Hand" is really that foreign of a term, like Gurgle responded with. The card art makes it look a little bit funny but it's still balanced out alike a real card, so I didn't think it was really a joke card initially. L'Oozetenant does feel a bit awkward to really say as well, but that might just be me.

Fri, 2016-11-18 00:26
Wapulatus
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Hey guys, I made a new entry. Could anyone throw some feedback on that?

Fri, 2016-11-18 01:02
Curse of Swine

Fri, 2016-11-18 01:04
Yoshi
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If no one would mind tossing feedback on my entry, that'd be much appreciated! I'll return the favor too, promise. A happy smile

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Fri, 2016-11-18 03:16
Gurfle
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@Kalvin
I was actually toying with the idea of making the ability 1 mana symbolBlue mana symbol, but I wasn't sure if it had too many restrictions or the like already. I might still change it, but then it's cost becomes easier to pay, obviously. And blue does like it's shenanigans, that's for sure. Thoughts on the matter (this applies to everyone too)?

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Fri, 2016-11-18 03:55
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Took me a while to come up with a name for equipping opponent's creatures. I'm not in love with affix but I think it gets the point across.

Fri, 2016-11-18 06:13
Wapulatus
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Decided to make a render for a very deserving entry.

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Fri, 2016-11-18 06:40
Vunik
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Added a render to my entry.

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Fri, 2016-11-18 08:51
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Tumblr Elemental 3 mana symbolRed mana symbol
Creature - Elemental Rare
Whenever a triggered ability an opponent controls triggers, put a +1/+1 counter on Tumblr Elemental.
5/2

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Fri, 2016-11-18 12:11
Mahx Michael
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@Yoshi
That's one op card for 4 mana. But the low mana cost is probably also the point of this card as well?

Sat, 2016-11-19 10:26
KalvinHobbez
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Might as well throw some more comments in, the week coming to an end real soon anyways.

Wapulatus
Aw, wasn't your last entry the ooze? I did love the idea behind it, so it's a shame you got rid of it. This one is a bit simpler, it seems, but I'm a bit confused on one thing. The copy you get can't target opponent permanents? (Which should probably say "can't target permanents controlled by opponents" or something of the like. "Owning" the permanent isn't stated too often as it can get awkward.) It seems a bit restrictive, even at one mana. Some triggered abilities can be very powerful with this, but usually because it affects an opponent. Door to Nothingness is both awful for this, but also brings up another thing about the card. You don't state the copied trigger must target a permanent, because the quotation part doesn't state "opponents" themselves but only things they own. It's a neat idea, but that balance on it makes a lot of triggers pretty useless. If it made the original AND the copy unable to target opponent permanents, then that could actually make for interesting scenarios alike with Door to Nothingness mentioned earlier. But as it is, the idea is pretty neat and definitely does feel nice for red chaos.

Yoshi
I'm surprised I passed over this one, because I quite do enjoy the idea being it. I noticed Golgari cards aren't made too much, or at least I just haven't spotted them in the recent contests. -1/-1 counters have always been one of my favorite parts of Golgari as it makes for interesting forms of removal that can still be balanced...at times. But the way this card is made takes that unique mechanic and makes it even more unique as it's truly a Demon styled drawback on a cheap costed weak creature. I love the idea of pact demons that cost low but have drawbacks to what they do. One thing that isn't done often is making this drawback slightly better both in few words on the card and not completely negate the drawback in the first place. So the card is short and sweet with what it says, does, and wants to do. These are all factors I love in a Legendary to be for a commander, so I could totally see this card being a legendary for that sake. I feel bad not being able to immediately think of what might be any issues with the balance itself. Maybe the untapping part of the second ability might be a bit much? Alike another said, maybe the mana cost is a bit low. It's not horribly imbalanced, but just an idea of what could be done with the card, as it seems fine as is to me at least.

Gurfle
Yeah it felt like it'd make sense for 1 mana symbolBlue mana symbol due to the ability feeling very blue rather than green. Green only ever gets trickery like this when paired with blue, but the cost of the creature itself already has green so it feels like a bit much to have the ability contain a green as well. But yeah you can see the word of others for what to do.

Curse of Swine
Love this card already due to how much I can hate counters, gives Ruric Thar, the Unbowed vibes. Though for three mana it seems a little bit strong. As a three mana 4/2 by itself is pretty decent, but the effect (although specific) does really add a bit onto that. Still do love the card idea, though.

Sun, 2016-11-20 02:01
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Resonating Genesis 2 mana symbolGreen mana symbolBlue mana symbol
Enchantment Rare
Whenever a nontoken creature enters the battlefield under a player’s control, each other player creates a token that’s a copy of that creature.
Creation is seldom a solitary act.

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Sun, 2016-11-20 02:31
SilverSoul.SB
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A bit of Science, Lore went into just the name.

Sun, 2016-11-20 19:53
Inverness
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I updated my entry. Also posted here for convenience.

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Sun, 2016-11-20 19:55
KalvinHobbez
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Man, I feel obligated to love these two Simic cards just for the colors and the other especially being a legendary. I'll throw in some comments on them.

Grishnax
I'd say this card seems absolutely fun in Commander due to the multiplayer environment, but for four mana it still seems like a bit much. Other cards with a similar theme like Hive Mind are pretty high costed due to the potential effects they might duplicate. Acidic Slime would be hilarious seeing everything go away. Grand Abolisher makes the game a whole lot less exciting. Ball Lightning seems like a fun way to abuse that cloning, though not in Simic colors. Commander would get funny also due to the commanders themselves creating clones. Essentially each deck will have combos that the other would have, creature-wise. Note that most of these critics are about "funny" things, so it's not necessarily broken but it could maybe have a higher cost. Do love the idea, though.

SilverSoul.SB
I like the Simic Combine symbol touch on the card, and it makes me think that lore you used must be of Ravnica itself? I don't know MTG lore too in depth, so I am curious where Nacela might have come from. Anyways, a smaller version of Experiment Kraj makes her feel a bit unoriginal...but I actually enjoy the idea of a smaller yet balanced form of Kraj. It's common to see a lot of big cards have similar effects of others. What specifically makes Nacela so different is that she is affected by Triggers instead. I also love the touch that you said "cast", so she'd enter the battlefield and get any effects a creature might have for entering the battlefield. The more I look into the card the more I enjoy it. It can make her a bit more balanced as she can only take creature oriented triggers, as a good amount of noncreature triggers are very dangerous to toy with. It's funny to imagine this card's interactions in Commander itself as well. Sidisi, Brood Tyrant could get the counter and you'd start making your own zombies. Bruna, Light of Alabaster lets Nacela become a scary counter to her by becoming her. Riku of Two Reflections just becomes a hilarious mess of triggers. So I love the card idea and nothing directly comes to mind about if it might be unbalanced at the moment.

Sun, 2016-11-20 20:47
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Met the devil of card design and sacrificed my creativity for unparalleled templating skill.

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Mon, 2016-11-21 07:27
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This thread is now closed, the poll can be found here.

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