Card of the Week Contest #141: Less will also do

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Wed, 2016-11-02 00:40
Yoshi
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@Shinobi: I'd make that a 3/3 or 3/4 personally; given Geist-Fueled Scarecrow.

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Mon, 2016-11-07 03:57
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Wed, 2016-11-02 01:47
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Might do some fiddling with the numbers later on, but here's my entry:


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Wed, 2016-11-02 02:02
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Here's my pitch into the ring:

Fettered Souleater 3 mana symbolBlack mana symbolBlack mana symbol
Creature-Demon Rare
Flying
~ enters the battlefield with four +1/+1 counters on it.
At the beginning of each end step, if three or more creatures die this turn, remove a +1/+1 counter from ~.
When ~ dies, return it to the battlefield transformed.
0/0
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Unchained Glutton (Black color identity)
Creature-Demon Horror Rare
Flying, Trample, Lifelink
Whenever another creature dies, each player loses 1 life.
4/4

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Wed, 2016-11-02 03:02
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Lingering Dreadmare 2 mana symbolBlack/red mana symbolBlack/red mana symbol
Creature--Elemental Uncommon
Persist
When Lingering Dreadmare leaves the battlefield, it deals 2 damage to each creature and each player.
Evoke 2 mana symbolBlack/red mana symbolBlack/red mana symbol
2/2

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Thu, 2016-11-03 04:21
Touhoufanatic
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not 100% sure on the wording, but i think it's right. probably. feedback welcome.

Edit: Fixed wording.
Edit2: altered wording again.

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Wed, 2016-11-02 04:32
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@Touhoufanatic Small nitpicks:
--You don't need to capitalize keywords after the first, so it should be "Flying, wither". (Right click on a keyword and select "reminder text" if you need it to still show the reminder text.)
-- "...creatures don't die from have 0 or less toughness."
-- "At the beginning of your upkeep, put a -1/-1 counter on each creature."

Other than that, interesting design!

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Wed, 2016-11-02 08:54
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Uriah, Savageborn Noble 3 mana symbolGreen mana symbol
Legendary Creature - Human Warrior Knight Mythic Rare
Level up White mana symbolBlack mana symbol Trample [6/5]
LEVEL 1-2 First strike, trample [5/4]
LEVEL 3+ First strike, deathtouch, trample [4/3]

I'm not sure if I love this card or hate this card.

EDIT: Also, touhoufanatic, you can just have, "Creatures don't die for having 0 or less toughness." as an ability. If it's just written as a statement like that, it's assumed to be a static ability that is only true while it's on the battlefield. Otherwise, it would state what zone the ability is active in.

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Wed, 2016-11-02 14:33
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@ Bioplay - I like the idea. It feels a bit more modal and encourages thinking about whether you should sink extra mana into it each turn or not.


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Wed, 2016-11-02 15:28
Pixi-Rex
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How do I make it a more clear design? It should be easy to understand where I wanna take the design. Or is the idea not that great of a design?

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Wed, 2016-11-02 23:48
Xenagos
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Here's my idea -

Wielder of Shadow 3 mana symbolBlue mana symbolBlue mana symbol
Creature - Human Rare
Creatures can't attack you or a planeswalker you control unless their controller pays X mana symbol for each creature he or she controls that's attacking, where X is ~'s power.
Put a -1/-1 counter on ~: Target creature can't be blocked this turn.
2/3

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Wed, 2016-11-02 15:38
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@Pixi: Should probably just be a DFC that transforms on death.

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Wed, 2016-11-02 16:00
Pixi-Rex
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@Cajun: OH yhere. That can work. I'll see what I can do then. Thanks.

Fri, 2016-11-04 10:59
Mahx Michael
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OK. Added render.

Wed, 2016-11-02 18:59
sdfkjgh
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@Inverness: Validation! Finally, I'm someone who matters! But seriously, I'm glad you took my suggestion. Thanks!

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@Daij: oh god, how I love your card. It's a tossup between yours and Inverness'

@Pixi: you should go with the 2nd one, as the 1st one doesn't work. Once a creature loses an ability, that ability no longer has any effect, so no flying.

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Wed, 2016-11-02 21:27
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@Pixi: I agree with Cajun. Or if you wanted to keep it one card, you could just give it Persist instead of "Metal Strip". And then, "CARDNAME isn't an artifact as long as it has one or more -1/-1 counters on it." And this couldn't be made clear in the CotW, but you could just make "Transporter" an Artifact type. In the same way the Gods didn't have the type God while they weren't creatures, this would lose that type as long as it wasn't an Artifact.

@Sakon: Agree with what's said on your card. It might be more justifiable it not for the fact that white and black are the worst colors at making energy. It's flavorful, but I feel like, with cards like Wall of Roots, I think this would fit fine into green, and would make the energy a lot less of an issue. Also...defender?

@marshmellow: Beware the phrase "leaves the battlefield", when Resto is a card that triggers the ability, survives the ability, and resets the Persist so you can do it twice more. This would be a lot less breakable if it just triggered on its death.

@Daij: Don't really like a non-Wall black creature with defender, but other than that, this card is pretty much perfect for what it's meant to be.

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Thu, 2016-11-03 04:47
amethyst-marie

I think a revisit to Theros would have to have wedge/shard gods. I hope 'getting to be a creature' counts as getting better.

Mageera, God of Jealosy 1 mana symbolWhite mana symbolBlack mana symbolRed mana symbol
Legendary Enchantment Creature - God Rare
Indestructible, Trample
As long as your devotion to red, black, and white is less than eight, Mageera isn’t a creature.
Mageera gets -X/-0, where X is your devotion to red, black, and white.

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Thu, 2016-11-03 12:51
Inverness
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sdfkjgh:

Glad I could make you feel good. A happy smile

Anyway, Territorial Viper is a risky design, because as a DeathStriker (creature with first strike/deathtouch) it will be very difficult to deal with in combat. The fact that it can't stay back on defense is helpful, since you won't be able to use it as a deterrant. Streamline could use a bit of a rewording, I think, as it's very specific. I think it might be interesting as something like what Daij suggested, or perhaps even:

Streamline Black/green mana symbolRed mana symbol (You may cast this card for its streamline cost. If you do, prevent any effects that modify how it enters the battlefield.)

This could be an interesting way to negate the counters it gets as well as possibly expand the design space you have with it (since I think this stops abilities from triggering? if not, you could also add that in). Could be a neat mechanic, actually, since you are paying a reduced cost for an almost-vanilla creature.

Thu, 2016-11-03 13:58
Royart142
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I did some changes to my entry, now you may judge it acordingly. You can find it here.

If we started a discussion here, I will reply below. Thanks for your time and your criticism on my entry!

Replies to previous comments
@Pixi-Rex My idea behind it was a threat to your enemies, but more importatly to you, clocking you, if you were at 20 life, you had around 4 turns to win, which isn't the best of ideas, but think I'll rework my entry to make it better as it becomes weaker. (I do come from a EDH community that LOVES to make complex weird combo decks, so it being complicated maybe is due to my growth as a player in my community)

@Mahx Michael Something more along the lines of Foul-Tongue Invocation with a "As an additional cost to cast "...", you may pay X mana symbol..." I also think the 6/6 for 6 mana symbol seems fine to me actualy, I would even say that a 7/7 for 6 mana symbol would be pretty reasonable considering the -1/-1 counters for annihilator

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@Aarhg If that was 3-mana, it would go straight into my Collected Company Jund Vampires deck... I freakin´love it.

@Mort Simple, yet elegant and efective, excelent entry

@marioware2 Wow... That seems... Really, really good.

@Yoshi When does it release? I want a whole playset.

@Gurfle Your desing and my previous one are really similar, I like it!

@ThisisSakon I love your entry! It becomes a powerhouse just by itself!

@Inverness Did somebody say... Commander? :v

@Daij_Dan Interesting design, it's the persist that helps the card function by itself.

@Marshmellow I'm not sure if this follows the challenge... I mean, sure... It has persist but i doesn't get better, is like kitchen finks they don't get better with persist, it's just something it has there...

@Amethyst-Marie I REALLY REALLY LIKE YOUR DESIGN, I had never seen someone use a negative effect from Devotion work so well, and be actually really balanced.

@Xenagos I'm not sure if your entry gets better as it gets weaker, I think it is it's worst enemy

@Mahx Michael Have you considered using this http://petemohrbacher.deviantart.com/art/Hasmed-Angel-of-Annihilation-524510004 for your render? I think it suits the Eldrazi theme better! Big smile Big smile Big smile

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Thu, 2016-11-03 14:01
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@Royart
Thanks for your reply, I was waiting for that one A happy smile
Yes, I had a really har time trying to find a fitting eldrazi themed creature. I had never imagined that I would find it harder than it was to find a Flamekin!!


Now that I'm using an Angel as my render, could I then make it an Eldrazi Angel and give it "As long as ~ has three or more -1/-1 counters on it, it has flying."?

Thu, 2016-11-03 14:03
Royart142
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@Mahx Michael FOR ZENDIKAR! WE FLY! *Gets squashed like a fly by Ulamog*

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Thu, 2016-11-03 14:06
Mahx Michael
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@Royart Puzzled
??? What did you say?
Was that an idea for flavor text, or was it you telling me to get down to earth again?

Thu, 2016-11-03 14:06
Royart142
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@Mahx Michael Just give it flying, it is in flavor and not too overpowered as far as I'm concerned.

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Thu, 2016-11-03 14:08
Mahx Michael
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Mythic Rare?

Thu, 2016-11-03 14:15
Royart142
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Definitely Mythic... Yep, yep, that's a Mythic...

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Thu, 2016-11-03 14:35
Mahx Michael
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Ok. I have two alternative renders I could use, one that gives flying only if there are three or more -1/-1 counters on it, and no space for flavor text, or one that always have flying and also have flavor text, wich should I choose?

Thu, 2016-11-03 16:36
Neottolemo
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Dataflower Avatar 1 mana symbolGreen mana symbolWhite mana symbolBlue mana symbol
Creature - Plant Avatar Rare
Virtual (After your first combat phase each turn, if you control a creature with virtual, there is an additional virtual combat phase each turn during which only creatures with virtual can attack or block.)
1 mana symbol, Put a -1/-1 counter on Dataflower Avatar: Creatures you control get +1/+1 until end of turn. Activate this ability only during virtual phases.
1/5

Thu, 2016-11-03 18:56
sdfkjgh
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@Inverness: how about just "If you do, ~ etbf with no counters on it." instead? Then it's absolutely nothing on it, and that sounds pretty streamlined to me.

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Thu, 2016-11-03 19:48
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Well, it obviously works - yet I personally still think if the point of the ability is to have an additional "~ ETB with N +1/+1 counters", that line could simply be included into the mechanic, so I'd personally still prefer my suggestion Winking smiley

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Thu, 2016-11-03 20:00
Shinobi-San

The card's meant to be a futureshifted Urza's Avenger

Fri, 2016-11-04 10:57
Mahx Michael
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@Royart
Should I sacrifice the flavor text to be able to have the full "if it has three or more -1/-1 counters on it" version, or should I just permanently give it flying to save space for the flavor text?
(Did I word the flavor text right, btw? I'm not that good in english, so I might have worded it wrong.)

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EDIT: Lol! I just realized there was a typo in one of my renders, I'll fix it later, don't let it disturb you.
EDIT: Fixed wording and typos.

@Shinobi-san
You could give it a futureshifted render, does that sound like a good idea? I mean like in future sight.

Thu, 2016-11-03 22:01
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Thu, 2016-11-03 22:38
Mahx Michael
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Now that I think about it, won't the flavor text be a bit much when there are so much happening on the card already? I am personally a big fan of catchy flavor texts, but I'm not really sure if it will be a little to much. Besides, if I choose to include the flavor text i would have to change it from getting flying when has three or more - counters to allways have flying, and a 7/7 with fling for 6 mana is probably way too much.
What do you guys think?

Fri, 2016-11-04 03:52
bazzboda

@Mahx Michael, I would get rid of annihilator as a keyword and just go with "whenever this creature attacks, defending player sacrifices a number of permanents equal to the number of -1/-1 counters on ~"
That way you can get around the confusion of using the X variable for 2 different things.
And yes I think the flavour text is too much, and it would be too strong and less interesting without the flying restriction.

Fri, 2016-11-04 05:39
bioplay
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Honestly I just think that flavor text is abominable. I would say don't use it simply because you don't want to use it.

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Fri, 2016-11-04 09:43
Mahx Michael
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@bazboda
So you wouldn't mind if I wrote Annihilator the same way as a pseudo ability? (Only without italics)
I could also change the second variable to Y, if that is less confusing/annoying

Fri, 2016-11-04 09:54
thehuw
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Annihilator cannot be written as a pseudo, because it's not defined as one by comp rules. If you wanted to write it out in full (and without the need for a second variable):

Whenever It That Slaughters attacks, defending player sacrifices a permanent for each -1/-1 counter on It That Slaughters.

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Fri, 2016-11-04 11:05
Mahx Michael
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Ok. Entry will be updated soon.
EDIT: Entry has been updated.

Fri, 2016-11-04 20:04
finofashark
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Entry updated on page one or in spoiler

Any feedback appreciated

Updated Entry

Fri, 2016-11-04 20:09
Vunik
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@finofashark I would say that that's a pretty poor trade off. I can pay 3 mana to make my 3/3 into a 5/1 that...doesn't tap when I attack? Vigilance is a pretty weak keyword to grant, especially when the card becomes so susceptible to being killed by a 1 drop. I'd recommend making it grant first strike instead.

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Fri, 2016-11-04 22:36
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The idea of the card is that it is hard to get value out of it, it presents choices to the player. First strike would mean it is always going to be a 5/1 on attack and a 3/3 on defence. This way gives you the choice to rumble in and if it isn't blocked pump it up or if the opponent is open/tapped out give it vigilance and crash in.

The ability was moved to 1 mana symbolRed mana symbolWhite mana symbol on someone else's suggestion it originally was just Red mana symbolWhite mana symbol I moved it up as they felt it was overpowered I suspect it is somewhere in between the two costs.

I had hoped it was a balanced uncommon rather than making an overpowered rare or mythic

Sun, 2016-11-06 00:42
bazzboda

@Daij_Djan, couldn't you change this to

Flying, haste
Chained Priest has defender unless it has a -1/-1 counter on it. (or something along these lines)
Persist

or even

Flying
If Chained Priest has a -1\-1 counter on it, it has haste. Otherwise it has defender.
Persist

Sun, 2016-11-06 01:13
Daij_Djan
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@bazzboda: Both versions technically are totally fine indeed. As my wording follows the official one though, I decided to keep it the way it is Winking smiley


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Sun, 2016-11-06 19:59
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thanks to Inverness & Daij, I updated my entry.

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Mon, 2016-11-07 01:12
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Reckless Marauder
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Mon, 2016-11-07 03:57
Gurfle
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SCREW IT WE MADE A NEW ONE

I think it works better.
And I like it.

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Mon, 2016-11-07 10:39
Mahx Michael
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@Gurfle
I think textual costs comes after the Tap symbol symbol.
Tap symbol, Put a -1/-1 counter on ~:

Mon, 2016-11-07 12:07
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This thread is now closed, the poll can be found here.

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