New to MSE - need help with expansion symbols :)

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Fri, 2007-10-12 12:53
breed697

Hello, I'm a bit new to the Magic set editor and I need some help giving my set it's own symbol... I'm not sure how to get it in the systems and into my card designs so anyone's help would be much appreciated.

I guess I need help with just about everything there is in regards to an expansion symbols (Dimensions, file type, etc.)

So anyone out there got a few minutes to spare?

Fri, 2007-10-12 20:55
Idle Muse
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Sure thing. MSE actually comes with its own symbol editor. Just switch over to the 'Set' tab (or just press F6), and double click where it says 'double click to edit symbol'. A new window will pop up, and I guess you can figure out how to use it yourself, its pretty simple vector shape editor. When you're done, click Store, and the image will appear in the field you dblclicked before. Now, each of your cards in the set will se that symbol rather than the default square.

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Fri, 2007-10-12 23:51
Pichoro
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There is an alternative, as well. The symbol editor can import images. With the current version of MSE, you need a black and white (not monochromatic) image. That's it. Now, of course, you get better results if you use an image type that doesn't compress, like png. Don't use jpg. Also, the bigger the image, the higher the resolution when you import into the symbol editor.

Once you have your image, you launch the symbol editor (as described by LordPenguin above), and choose to open a file. When you do, you can change the file type from set symbols to images; do so, then you can open an image as a set symbol.

Sat, 2007-10-13 03:54
Ian
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why not jpg i make jpg with paint for my symbols and they turn out fine.

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Sat, 2007-10-13 05:03
Pichoro
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Because jpegs compress every time you save. When it compresses, it ceases to be true black and white (the colors bleed a bit). This leads to rough edges in your symbol.

Paint is also capable of making pngs, which have no compression.

Sat, 2007-10-13 09:18
Idle Muse
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Yeah, make sure the image you use for importing isn't antialiased either, that doesn't play well with the vector conversion. This isn't a problem if you use MS Paint, but most graphics programs DO antialias. And no, don't use jpg... ever...

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Sat, 2007-10-13 16:09
Pichoro
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When I get an image that's already a jpeg (and thus, fuzzy from compression), the first thing I do is change it to a png. Then I put it through this program called Microsoft Office Picture Manager (or something like that). When I do so, I think I decrease a bar for editing midtones and max out contrast. Save and repeat. I keep doing this until the image is perfectly black and white; I usually get decent results. And the larger the image, the better the results, as is always true with MSE's symbol editor.

Now, of course, this won't work well if you have a full color image with an object in it that you want to use as a set symbol. This is more like what I do with an image like the future set symbols WotC posts in their Arcana.

Sat, 2007-10-13 18:41
Thorns
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How do we change the image to PNG?

Sun, 2007-10-14 02:44
Pichoro
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When you have an image open in MS Paint, choose File -> Save As, and right below where you type the file name, you'll see file type. Just change that to png.

Sun, 2007-10-14 15:50
Sensei Le Roof
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Waaaaaaaaaaait... how does increasing the color (maxing out saturation) make an image B/W?

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Sun, 2007-10-14 16:23
Pichoro
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You're right; it doesn't. I don't actually have the program on my computer, and was trying to recall my actions from memory, but I failed to get them right.

I increase contrast and decrease a bar right below it on that program that adjusts midtones. The two together turn it black and white eventually.

I've edited my post where I said that to correct it, so people won't be even more confused.

Sun, 2007-10-14 18:58
Rob Cashwalker
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If you have Paint Shop Pro or similar, it might be easier to convert the image to greyscale, possibly with an option for as few as 8 colors. Then flood fill areas you want white and then black. Then run the convert function again to drop the pallete to 2 colors before saving.

Mon, 2007-10-15 18:10
Idle Muse
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Yeah, even with MS paint there is a monotone bitmap save option which simply saves as a 2 colour pallette bitmap, though it might dither the grey's which isn't good. Paint.NET has a Threshold tool that simply separates the pixels into black or white based on a chosen luminosity threshold.

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Wed, 2007-10-17 13:15
breed697

Thank you so much for all the help, I found the method of lifting B&W images from paint very simple and my set finally has it's own symbol