Taviezal: Nearing Mass Spoilers! (Fan spoilers!)

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Thu, 2016-06-30 20:34
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Uneasiness in the Air

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Plane: Taviezal


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Fri, 2016-07-01 05:52
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Woah, this looks pretty cool already and I don't know anything about it! Now, that aside. I'm going to say that I like the virtuous thing. It's a way to showcase transformation that isn't just "This thing was a person but now it's a monster!" from what I can tell. The only problem I have with the card is that the virtue counters stay on it when it transforms. While this isn't necessarily an issue, it's the type of thing that would bug me during the game. Tokens being there that just don't do anything kinda bug me (for some reason).

The way that I would do it if I were to have made the mechanic would be to give the transformed creature a way to remove those counters and gain benefit from it. (Like masquerade angel's ability being activated by also removing a virtue counter from it. But yeah, I love the card in spite of one tiny thing that doesn't really make much of a difference.

I can't wait to find out the lore of this plane. The tagline "Uneasiness in the Air" already gets me interested, because now I KNOW that something is going on.

Fri, 2016-07-01 13:37
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The counters should indeed stay on there. I have cards that care about that.

And thanks! I was a bit nervous, this being the first set I'm showcasing and all, so it's good to see at least some positive feedback.

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Fri, 2016-07-01 15:22
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MysticalOctopus wrote:
I was a bit nervous, this being the first set I'm showcasing and all

Well, you're off to a good start, I like that card very much. I have two questions for you: Does virtuous appears in cards other than transformers? Also, are you having fan spoilers for this?

Fri, 2016-07-01 23:53
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To answer: Virtuous will sadly only be on transformers. But so will its sister mechanic.

And yes, fan spoilers are allowed. But not quite yet. I need to finish a bit more of the cards before full reveal begins.

EDIT: I've changed my mind. If people really want a spoiler, I might be able to be persuaded into giving one.

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Sat, 2016-07-02 22:27
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Uneasiness
((Not a very good writer, so the stories won't be long.))

We were praying to the gods. Lepinia especially. That's when... THEY came. The constructs. Mechanical beings. They started tearing into the shrine, and then into us. They were awful. But that's all in the past. For now, this is the present. And in this moment, I am free. I have forgotten my gods and embraced the glory of the Collective.


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Sat, 2016-07-02 22:33
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The return of Shrines, huh? I'm interested to see more.

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Sun, 2016-07-03 00:12
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If you like shrines, you'll love the spoiler I sent Korakhos...

I put shrines in because... well personally I really liked Kamigawa block. Snake tribal especially, but shrines too.

EDIT:

All right, here are the reasons you should be HYPED for this set.

GET HYPED wrote:
1. White vampires
2. Blue angels
3. Nephilim
4. Werewolves
5. Sirens
6. Shrines
7. New kinds of counters
8. God tribal
9. Non flippy-floppy werewolves
10. More tribal dual lands
11. Curses

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Sun, 2016-07-03 06:42
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How hyped am I scale (1-10):
1: 8. White vampires sound great. If it's White/black mana symbol then I wouldn't be surprised, but mono white could definitely be interesting if done right.

2: 7. Already got a glimpse with the first spoiler, but if there are monoblue Angels then I'd love to see how you go with them. I'd imagine an almost Azorius view on things from them.

3: 8. Nephilim are sweet.

4: 6. Werewolves are sweet, but nothing too wild.

5: 5. See number four, but replace werewolves with sirens.

6: 9. yeS PLEASE

7: 8. Pretty sure first spoiler showed them, but I'm definitely intrigued with the interactions with the counters you said there'd be.

8: ???. What???

9: ???. Kinda the worst Paarl of EMN as far as I can tell... Unless you're talking about non-flippy like the original Black mana symbol werewolves. Then I'm super stoked.

10: 6. Tribal lands could restrict deck building. But at the same time, I love tribal decks. So I'm a bit of a hypocrite.

11: 8. TWO enchantment subtypes that I love? Count me in! (Basically number 6)

Sun, 2016-07-03 13:58
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For werewolves, yeah, transforming werewolves are few and far between.

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Mon, 2016-07-04 17:49
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Mechanics of Taviezal

Virtuous (Whenever you cast a noncreature spell that shares a color with this creature, put a virtue counter on this creature.)
Virtuous is the mechanic of the angels above. If one leads a virtuous life, they may be turned into one of these heavenly beings.

Provoke (Whenever this creature attacks, you may have target creature defending player controls untap and block it if able.)
The child of an angel and a mortal is a siren. Siren are all female, and all have bewitching good looks.

Cursed <mana> (When this permanent is put into a graveyard from the battlefield, you may pay <mana>. If you do, return it from your graveyard to the battlefield transformed.)
An angel who falls into sin shall be transformed into a Nephilim.

Lycanthropy (When this creature deals damage to a creature, that creature becomes a Werewolf in addition to its other types and gains lycanthropy.)
A vampire who attacks a virtuous being will be transformed into a ravenous werewolf.

Sinful (Whenever you cast a noncreature spell that shares a color with this creature, put a sin counter on this creature.)
Just as angels visit the virtuous, vampires knock on the door of the sinful.

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Mon, 2016-07-04 02:16
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Even though I understand the flavor behind it, I don't like that virtuous and sinful are exactly the same mechanic with different names. Also is guardian angel meant to activate when transforming? Because if so the guardian should say "exile ~, then return it to the battlefield transformed", and Curse of Smoldering Ashed has no other effect other than enchanting a player.

On the other hand, yay for incarnations! I love Wrath on both sides and like the grafter very much. Finally, I LOVE lychanthropy (I'm hoping there's more werewolf love/hate on the set) it is beautiful on the flavorful side. Maybe it should have counters to prevent memory issues although I'm not the best one to talk about memory issue cards Stick out your tongue

Mon, 2016-07-04 02:22
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Curse of Smoldering Ashes: Huh. That's odd. I'll fix that.

Guardian Angel: I don't know how I missed that. I will fix that as well.

Incarnations: Yup. The Seven Deadly Sins and the Seven Heavenly Virtues are all in the set.

Lycanthropy is one of my proudest creations.

Finally, about sin and virtue counters: Sin counters will be used for different cards than virtue counters, though it is a bit silly now that I think of it. Maybe I'll make them a bit more unique.

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Mon, 2016-07-04 08:41
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Why would anybody play Siren Temptress when it's a Rare that costs 3 mana symbol more than Deathtrap Siren and its only advantage is that it has +1 toughness?

Tue, 2016-07-05 14:57
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All right, problem cards fixed.

Guardian Angel now reads "When this creature transforms into ~."

Curse of Smoldering Ashes given real text.

Siren Temptress updated for extra effect. EDIT: That last effect should say "+1/+1 until end of turn." Stick out your tongue

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Wed, 2016-07-06 23:08
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Artifacts

Hey there! I'm proud to spoil *gasp* EVERY ARTIFACT IN TAVIEZAL!

Why is this exciting? Because there's only 7 cards to spoil!







Why only 7, you may ask? Because I can exclusively reveal that Taviezal's sequal will have 90 artifacts in it! I know that's a lot, try to hold in your excitement and/or pee.

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Thu, 2016-07-07 03:45
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Mechanical Sinner is. Um. Really really really garbage?

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Thu, 2016-07-07 03:57
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Yea, I know. Every set has at least 1 of those cards, right?

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Thu, 2016-07-07 08:11
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Can't you make it start bigger and/or cost less?

Thu, 2016-07-07 13:34
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Yeah. I didn't actually mean it to cost that high.

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Thu, 2016-07-07 14:41
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Also, if Humble Artificer can't trigger off flipping an artifact creature... isn't it perpetually a 0/1?

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Thu, 2016-07-07 14:41
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Also, if Humble Artificer can't trigger off flipping an artifact creature... isn't it perpetually a 0/1?

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Thu, 2016-07-07 17:15
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I mainly put noncreature artifact to stop any shenanigans in modern or whatever. But I see your point. I'll change it.

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Fri, 2016-07-08 17:12
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Karona is an interesting card. I recall back when I returned to magic for the second time (this is currently my third relapse) I played against a friend who had a domain zoo deck whose two wincons revolved around her: either Ordered Migration for an army of 4/4 fliers or simply Coalition Victory if she survived the turns with opponents and came back to him safe. I attempted to make an EDH Karona deck with one of magic's most underdog classes: Samurai. I got bored halfway through and never finished the project. But an interesting concept I've seen with her is gods.

With fifteen indestructible dudes with huge stats that get +3/+3 and devotion from Karona, the decks I saw with that looked pretty cool, and I admire the ingenuity of the concept, a false god guiding actual gods into battle. But what if I told you Karona's no longer the only pentacolored card that pumps gods? Either MysticalOctopus knows my soft spot for five-colored cards I've shown in some previous "failures" or this has been a lucky coincidence. Without further introductions I present to you the card depicted by the announcing image:

Shrine of Heaven

So tell me, what do you guys think?

Sat, 2016-07-09 00:07
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I suppose I should spoil the gods in my set soon. All righty. I'll give the names, you can request ones you people want to spoil:

Ettarr, God of the Silver Coven (Vampires)

Lepnia, Goddess of the Immortal Shroud (Angels)

Zuklena, Goddess of the Dilulcum (Werewolves, also this one is mine for plot reasons)

Ycmus, God of Heaven's Raiders (Nephilim)

Tuneas, Goddess of the Downfall Company (Sirens)

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Sat, 2016-07-09 19:01
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Commander Highlights, Part 1
I'm dissappointed in Ulrich of the Krallenhorde, the Legendary Werewolf from Eldritch moon, as a commander. Except for a few cases, werewolves want to get transformed and stay that way. This commander wants to flip-flop all the day long.

My commander doesn't really help the problem. But in my opinion, he's a better commander for werewolves than ol' Ulrich.

Who am I talking about? Ronric Fleshripper.

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Sun, 2016-07-10 07:17
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While what you say about werewolves is true, wanting to transform once and be done, in a format like commander it's MUCH more likely that your werewolves will be flipping all the doo-dah day. So I'd say it works out.

As for ronric, here are my thoughts. He's simple, which isn't a bad thing. Some of the best cards are simple. But it's a mythic, and whenever I look at a mythic card I usually expect to see something out of the box. Something... Well, not so simple. It's a great card, but I would say that it's mythic not because of the things that I like mythic cards for, but because it's just brutally efficient. Brutal efficiency isn't a bad thing, but if that's all a card is then I feel that it should be rare. (Also, yes. I do realize that it does have a downside, and as a commander he's removed easily, but my argument still stands. Great card though)

Sun, 2016-07-10 14:36
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If I upped the mana cost a bit and made him indestructible, would that help?

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Thu, 2016-07-14 14:58
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Commander Highlights, Part 2

All right. It's time to unveil one of the two Siren commanders. The other is a god. Send me a message if you want to do a fan spoiler for them or one of the other gods.

Most of the sirens live on Sirensong Island. It's relatively peaceful, and it is ruled over by....

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Thu, 2016-07-14 17:16
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Palamisa is dangerously close to being fog bank with upside vs creatures w/o deathtouch or flying. Probably too strong.

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Thu, 2016-07-14 17:20
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To be fair, it's legendary and also Green mana symbolBlue mana symbol, so I think it's not really that egregious.

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Thu, 2016-07-14 18:15
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I would, because most of the time it'll attack and automatically kill a creature. Plus there's the fact that if it's blocked by multiple creatures it gets a bonus from all of them. Basically meaning it just can't die during combat.

Also, I don't think that Ronric is undercosted, just that it's a little simple for how I design my mythics. Comparing it to palamisa, palimisa is undercosted but with an effect that feels mythic to me.

Thu, 2016-07-14 18:50
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Also, outside of combat it's just a 1/1. A freaking Scorching Spear could bring it down, and Scorching Spear is garbage. Also it has no evasion whatsoever. Plus if you pump the creature blocking it after the ability resolves it will die too.

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Thu, 2016-07-14 19:01
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The dies to removal argument isn't a very good one, though. Not having evasion isn't really a large problem, since having no evasion actually means it can provoke more creatures.

I'd probably just be a lot more comfortable with it at 1 mana symbolGreen mana symbolBlue mana symbol since it can often just kill a creature of your choice whenever it attacks, or if it was a 0/1 so it would be less dangerous.

On a more positive sidenote, I've been lurking and most of these cards are pretty good. A happy smile

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Thu, 2016-07-14 19:17
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Maybe a temporary 'gains provoke until end of turn' ability?

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Fri, 2016-07-15 17:30
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@Yoshi: I'll change the mana cost.
@Fluffy: Noted.
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Commander Highlights, Day 4

Every story needs its main character/hero figure. The Lord of the Rings had Frodo, mostly. The Hunger Games had Katniss. SOI/EMN had Jace. Rise of the Eldrazi had Emrakul. And who does Taviezal have?

Riley Stagwater. Profession? Vampire/Grafter.

You may ask, "Why such a high cost to flip?" Well you see he really likes that bribery. Spread it all around.

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Fri, 2016-07-15 15:00
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So, it's a DFC with 17 lines of rules text divided amongst its rules text that introduces a third type of non-P/T modifying counters and is reliant on you counting up that there are twelve of this new type of counter on permanents as well as four sin counters to transform it into a creature that now accumulates a third different kind of counter when you cast spells and I am going to have a heart attack.

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Fri, 2016-07-15 16:42
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Virtuous was just kinda tacked on there, I can remove it.

It is really complicated, I know.

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Fri, 2016-07-15 16:55
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It's also hugely efficient for what it does; Gwafa Hazid had to tap and pay White mana symbolBlue mana symbol for that effect with a drawback for your opponent. This is just mean.

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Fri, 2016-07-15 17:31
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Riley Stagwater changed. Better?

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Sun, 2016-07-17 03:42
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Before we get started, I just wanted to thank everyone for the staggering lack of feedback on this project, it really means a lot to me. I don't mean to sound whiny, but I've put a lot of effort into this.
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Commander highlights, Part 4
All right, who is the leader of the Angels above?

This person. Daulet/Israfel. I'll probably get some story of him up at some point.

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Sun, 2016-07-17 03:46
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"Whenever Daulel Rusnalev blocks a..." is the correct wording. Card looks sound otherwise.

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Sun, 2016-07-17 14:57
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Got it.

I had him as "Can block any number of creatures each combat" at first, but then I realized that was way too OP right before posting.

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Tue, 2016-07-19 01:00
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I feel like Daulet having indestructible is a little much. Giving him vigilance instead would be a little more balanced. Also, his blocking thing doesn't need the "each combat" part. Otherwise, I love the card.

Tue, 2016-07-19 01:51
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I'd cost him at 1 mana symbolWhite mana symbolBlue mana symbol to push, 2 mana symbolWhite mana symbolBlue mana symbol as a 3/3 to be safe. The concept is great, but it's almost disgustingly powerful as-is. Especially as a 2/2 that can block two low cost creatures, kill one or both, and live regardless. Autumn's suggestion sounds good, though.

Conversely, I think it works to give the other face indestructible. You can probably give it a bit more protection from removal IMO. A happy smile

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Tue, 2016-07-19 02:54
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Indestructible on that kind of body would be a bit much. Hexproof perhaps. I'll up his cost though.

@Autumn: You're right about the "each combat".

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Thu, 2016-07-21 17:27
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So you have fanspoilers? I'd like to spoil something.

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Thu, 2016-07-21 21:09
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Yes, I do indeed. I'll give one to you when I get on my computer. Any preferences?

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Thu, 2016-07-21 23:10
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Surprise me.

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Fri, 2016-07-22 15:08
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Most of you probably think of Black mana symbolRed mana symbol as the combination of aggro, aggro and then some more aggro, a view entrenched onto the collective consciousness by Rakdos, the Kolaghan brood and the Jund part of Alara. Still, that doesn't mean there isn't potential for control in Black mana symbolRed mana symbol, as cards like Kaervek the Merciless and Slaughter Games demonstrate.

And now...

another card joins that elusive battlefield.

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Sat, 2016-07-23 14:56
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A few sentences can make all the difference in the world.
Let's take a look at this card.

????? 2 mana symbolBlack mana symbolRed mana symbol
Sorcery Mythic Rare
???????

In this fanspoiler, we'll be coming closer and closer to our fanspoiler card, seeing how it could have turned out if it were missing a few lines of text.

V1
Cleansing Purge 2 mana symbolBlack mana symbolRed mana symbol
Sorcery Mythic Rare
Destroy all Nephilim.

So here we are first. This card I'm spoiling could have ended up as tribal hate card if it only had it's first sentence. Of course, that wouldn't be very exciting for mythic, would it?

Try again.
Nephilim Polymorphing 2 mana symbolBlack mana symbolRed mana symbol
Sorcery Mythic Rare
Destroy all Nephilim. Put a 2/2 blue and black Horror creature token on the battlefield for each creature destroyed this way.

It's still tribal hate, but a Johnny would be able to see something else; all of the Nephilim in Tavezial have cursed, meaning they return to the battlefield as curses! That would be pretty sweet to bombard someone with a load of curses and still have a board to use. A shame you have to pay a cost for each new curse you trigger....

...but luckily, that's easily fixed.

Finale

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