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Sat, 2016-02-20 05:01
Guitarweeps
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Hello, pretty soon I am going to create a page on the left side for each of MSE formats and Lackey CCG. This is not intended to replace our forum threads but to supplement them and make these things easier to see. We will have links to important stuff as well as tutorials eventually.

- This will be a great place to host the legal sets and ban lists. These are the formats I plan on posting here although community feedback is also taken so we can add or take away:

MSE Standard - This will comprise of the three most recent blocks or out "official" community sets. It will start out with The Edlrazi Imprisonement, Preasti, and Ashura block.
MSE Extended - This won't really be made until later but it will basically be all of the community sets as they rotate out of MSE Standard. I would also consider adding other legitimate community made sets depending on balance.
MSE Modern - This is what you are all used too already. This will be 100% controlled by the community what goes in here.
MSE Commander - Not really a format yet but moving towards it slowly.

Now I want to clarify why I have MSE Standard and Extended the way they are as we discussed this and some wanted their own sets to rotate in as well. First off you are welcome to just play whatever formats you want at any time. We are in the middle of jacqui standard. Feel free to keep doing that and mix however you want. I wanted to highlight the community made sets this way because I think that community made sets are more rewarding as well as relatively better after we got the kinks out. So I want to keep that format as is and this will hopefully motivate you to want to work as a team on sets and not just by yourself. Our community will be much stronger if we are designing together rather than alone and then trying to show each other cool stuff.

So please tell me what information you would like on these pages. The reason for this is to centralize everything and make it easy to see where it is.

Last note, I would like to have streams (or recordings rather whatever the correct term is) of some of our events. Does anyone have the know how and/or equipment to do such a thing?

Check out my updated set hub.

Sat, 2016-02-20 05:55
ThisisSakon
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A banlist would be nice. MSE Extended just seems like MSE modern, so I don't know why it's needed. You still have my opinions on MSE standard so I won't leave a comment would be nice.

Links to Messaging Windy/Jacqui/other MSE Modern founders would be a must. Official judges. Like, literally judges. Make judges. Judges. People who can pick up the rules slack that mechanical interactions lack.

Also, twitch streaming would be fairly easy to set up. Youtube can also stream, but it's less handy


Also, completely separate but I'd recommend moving the CotW and any images MSE uses to imgur and away from photobucket, which seems to have crapped itself and died


Actually I am going to leave a word about MSE Standard because you said community sets are just better in most cases. I don't really see why that's the case, and since the community worked on most of it, who are you showcasing it too? They've already worked on it. I think outstanding individual sets should be showcased, not sets everyone's already seen

Sat, 2016-02-20 06:10
WindyDelcarlo
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@Judges: As is probably obvious, L1 here, so yeah

@Streaming: Working on it

@MSE Commander: Literally the reason I am trying to add all sets on the forums That and, you know, there's not really a reason not to?

Sat, 2016-02-20 06:24
SonictheBrushwagg
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It's probably a given, but some sort of introduction/FAQ explaining this whole thing would be nice for n00bs like myself. Winking smiley


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Sat, 2016-02-20 06:29
ThisisSakon
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Oh yeah and what Sanic said. Maybe sticky this thread at the top of each page you create?

Sat, 2016-02-20 11:19
Guitarweeps
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MSE Standard is not about showcasing so I don't understand that objection? The reason they would be better in most cases is that they are designed by more than one mind, go through an actual development cycle, and will be playtested more.

Another issue that was discussed is rotation. A true "standard" style format only has limited options otherwise it becomes a modern-esque format. People put out their custom sets at random a rotation schedule would be hectic so this keeps it stable. Also it is not like we are doing weekly FNM and you are totally free to run an event with random three blocks as format or whatever.

Check out my updated set hub.

Sat, 2016-02-20 12:19
Mishrasworkshop
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As has already been stated, I'm very much looking forward to a tutorial and other hand-holding guides so that I can start using Lackey as well.

Check out my set Xenovus, a sci-fi themed Magic set!

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Sat, 2016-02-20 12:22
Nazsmith
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I also believe that MSE Extended is a waste of time for us. It'll be like the real extended. Why play one when you have the other? You know? I mean, as you say, play whatever you want, but I fell more people are going to be interested in the Modern then the former.

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Sat, 2016-02-20 12:40
Guitarweeps
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@Nazsmith - Maybe so although I don't see how it is a waste of time though as it would take me about 3 seconds to write out the sets in it lol. We will see. I am trying to have some options that are less overwhelming than MSE modern. Right now it is already quite overwhelming to just jump into but at the rate people on this site make sets there is going to be a lot of cards in it pretty quickly. The point was to have something like MSE Modern but only for sets made by the community (rather than individuals).

@Sonic - Any specific questions you are thinking of?

Also, where is MSE Modern's banlist anyways?

Check out my updated set hub.

Sat, 2016-02-20 13:12
Nazsmith
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I play Katawa Shoujo. And I use the Chatroom for MSE, so check up on me!

Sat, 2016-02-20 14:04
SonictheBrushwagg
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@GuitarWeeps
Like what Lackey is, for starters. From what I gather (I totally maybe stalk the other thread) it's like Cockatrice. I can probably google where to download it, but...
I'm also curious how you get everyone's custom sets into Lackey.
Also who/what determines when a custom set can be included?


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Sat, 2016-02-20 15:41
WindyDelcarlo
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I'm trying to get it so every fully released set is in the custommagic plugin. Obviously, there's a lot of those, so I've definitely missed some. AS for MSE Modern, we generally take a look and see if there's any reason not to include it in the format (such as insanely erratic power levels, and probably something else we haven't needed to look at due to the fact that I've only grabbed the more recent ones so far)

Sat, 2016-02-20 16:09
Guitarweeps
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Why not have people request their sets be put in as they may not want them put in and you don't have to be concerned about "missing" some.

Check out my updated set hub.

Sat, 2016-02-20 16:29
Decembra
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Also somebody needs to help Wind with this because it does actually look like a huge task for one person. I haven't been reliable for a while but I'm trying to change that so while I'm not offering right away, maybe soon I could lend a hand.

@Wind: How can we help?

Sat, 2016-02-20 16:33
WindyDelcarlo
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The main work is actually just the coding and organization, which doesn't take as much time as it would if I had to do it all from scratch.

... Actually, there's a few things I've wanted to ask around for. Namely, promos, pack images, and (most important) tokens

Sat, 2016-02-20 16:41
Decembra
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I'll check it out sometime and see if I can't figure out how to incorporate the extra work into the LackeyCCG exporter's code. I've never tried changing anything about MSE, but this seems like something that warrants a tweak or two A happy smile

I suck at photoshop but I'm not too phased if my pack images look terrible or basic. Tokens I always do, and I wouldn't mind finding art for missing tokens if you give me a list. Promos are absolutely optional though, aren't they?

Sat, 2016-02-20 16:45
ThisisSakon
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I can handle pack images, and I'm 'pretty good' at finding art (At least I think so and that's what matters A happy smile ) so if you need me to help with that I can.


Also, I'm not against a format of just community sets, but some really good designers join MSE in between community sets or just contribute one card to the set or just don't ever bother with it. I mean, we even give out awards for sets and creative direction, so there's no harm in including what the community votes on as the 'best set', right?

Sat, 2016-02-20 16:46
WindyDelcarlo
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Promos are absolutely optional. I mean locating any that actually do exist (if any; surely I'm not the only one that does those, right? )

Sat, 2016-02-20 17:04
Decembra
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@Windy: I see the MSE Modern Google Sheet actually has a column for "Tokens?" Guess I've got myself a project for tonight! Big smile

EDIT: Worth noting is that in the Banlist tab of that Sheet, you have Symphony of Frost and Flame as banned as of 10/31/15. But it doesn't feature at all in banlist or unbannings as of 12/22/15.

Sat, 2016-02-20 17:05
WindyDelcarlo
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I was curious about that too, but I assumed Jacqui had a reason for that

Sat, 2016-02-20 17:06
ThisisSakon
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Also Corsair Marauder also got the nerf hammer and it's still banned. IDR if we decided to give it a test. Also, ACC is missing from the 'sets added' but that isn't really important or huge

Sat, 2016-02-20 17:10
Decembra
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Admin and development at the same time is something I struggle with at work so I totally understand if something is... a mystery

Sat, 2016-02-20 17:26
jacqui-pup
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Symphony of Frost of Flame is in a recently banned set.

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Sat, 2016-02-20 18:04
Decembra
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Oh I see. Makes sense.

Fri, 2016-03-18 22:16
Horizons
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I'd me more interested in an MSE standard than extended. So like a format that limits play to last three community sets or something. That'd be kind of nice and it'd give people a motivation to complete sets and let them see them in action.

Sat, 2016-03-19 16:59
jacqui-pup
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Well that's going to be a reality next update with IOTE/Preasti/Ashura, right?

[center]"It's exciting to create something that demonstrates how clever you are, that you pushed in a direction that players didn't anticipate. The problem is that the point of game design isn't to be clever, it's to create a great game." --Mark Rosewater

Sat, 2016-03-19 17:28
Guitarweeps
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Yes! Assuming Horizons is referring to the MSE Standard in the post.

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