Colorless Mana Launch

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Mon, 2015-12-14 00:29
Pichoro
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Right now, I am doing a massive upload of installers, featuring colorless mana symbols in a great many mana fonts. Thanks should go to Carl Miller for the image.

As of now, the Chaos symbol from planechase has been re-keyed to "chaos" in all mana fonts. It will not automatically symbolize; you'll have to highlight it and hit the symbol button at the top of MSE. "C" now automatically inserts the colorless mana symbol. Not all mana fonts have a colorless mana symbol, but none of them use "C" for the chaos symbol anymore.

This update also features fixed blends by movezig for some M15 DFC styles, found here: http://magicseteditor.sourceforge.net/node/10717

And, while I was at it, I added the only spoiled keyword from Oath of the Gatewatch so far.

Notably, this update doesn't include a colorless watermark. Sorry - no image yet for it.

Templates can be found on my index, as usual. There's also a single installer with all of the mana fonts that received changes, as well as the Magic game file, which had a few changes as well. I didn't include any other templates in this installer. It can be found at http://sourceforge.net/projects/msetemps/files/Updates%20by%20Date/Magic%20Update%20-%20December%2013th%202015.mse-installer/download

Edit: And I'm just now seeing how terrible the name font looks on the bottom half of that first render. Ouch. Sorry. Will fix in a future update.

Mon, 2015-12-14 05:26
Halian
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Yay \o/

Mon, 2015-12-14 17:24
movezig5
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Nice! I'll check to see if any of my own templates need updating.

EDIT: Doesn't look like it.

Mon, 2015-12-14 22:12
Jéské Couriano
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Awesome. I think I'll start using this for colourless mana generation in all my sets.

EDIT ) C doesn't seem to be autoconverting in Magic-M15-Extra.

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Mon, 2015-12-14 22:30
WindyDelcarlo
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Does using a C mana cost force the card into a colourless frame or is that flip card a separate template?

Mon, 2015-12-14 22:30
WindyDelcarlo
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Does using a C mana cost force the card into a colourless frame or is that flip card a separate template?

Tue, 2015-12-15 00:11
Pichoro
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Jeske - Works for me. You probably need to go grab an update for magic-m15-extra itself.

WindyDelcarlo - That's a separate template. They are magic-new-flip-clear and magic-old-flip-clear.

Tue, 2015-12-15 01:49
movezig5
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Actually, M15-Extra doesn't seem to work for me either. I'll try updating first, though.

EDIT: It looks like the problem is with the game-scripts file. Does the current version of M15-Extra update this file?

EDIT EDIT: Looks like it does.

Tue, 2015-12-15 01:49
Pichoro
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I would expect the problem is coming from a decision I made. I provided a single installer that has all the mana fonts in it, to make it easy for people to update. But I left the actual M15 Extra template out of that installer. So, you could grab all the updated mana fonts and the updated Magic game file, but still miss a bit of necessary scripting in M15 Extra to make it work.

Tue, 2015-12-15 01:49
movezig5
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I've updated my "M15 Planeswalkers Extra" template to implement the new mana symbol. Here is the link.

Also, I may as well mention this: I made a modified version of both M15 Extra templates that sorts purple mana between blue and black (see this article for an explanation. The installer is here--it includes the templates and new symbol fonts. It is also updated for the new colorless mana symbol.

Tue, 2015-12-15 21:50
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Hi guys, just letting you know: Colorless mana symbol has been added to the forum's BBCodes as well! ;c: ;colorless: ;cmana: ;symc: and ;diamond: all work (replace semicolon with colon, obviously A happy smile )

EDIT: ;cmana: and ;symc: work as well, whereas ;diamond: had to be dropped because of smiley iteractions Big smile


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Wed, 2015-12-16 03:37
vincependrell

I just tried it and it looks great everywhere, though it complicates making planechase cards, since it seems like there is no way to do the Chaos Symbol now (unless I missed a post somewhere).

Wed, 2015-12-16 03:42
Cajun
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jus type chaos, then highlight it and hit the star or Ctrl+M, or go Format->Insert Symbol and it's there too.

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Wed, 2015-12-16 07:51
Daij_Djan
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Yeah, Chaos Symbol can still be written as ;chaos:

EDIT: ;cmana: and ;symc: work as well for Colorless mana symbol, whereas ;diamond: had to be dropped because of smiley iteractions Big smile


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Sun, 2015-12-20 09:36
hyperkeratosis
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Hey guys, I can't seem to get the symbol to show up on my copy of MSE on Windows 10. I haven't used MSE for a while, and I've been trying to use it on a computer that my brother curates, however he has been of little help. I've tried running the installer a few times, which has been telling me that 12 packages were successfully installed. Every time I try to type 'C' into the mana cost, nothing shows up, and typing 'C:' into a text box just gives me the chaos symbol. I've tried this with the M15 Style, the Modern Style, and the Old Style.

The MSE console is currently telling me that two different packages are out of date:
magic-mana-small.mse-symbol-font (version 2014-01-20)
magic-mana-large.mse-symbol-font (version 2011-04-18)

Both console messages tell me that version 2015-12-13 is required, which I presume is the thing I've just installed.

Sorry :/ I'm new here.

Sun, 2015-12-20 17:51
Jéské Couriano
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hyperkeratosis ) Pardon the volume.

MOVE YOUR MAGIC SET EDITOR INSTALL OUT OF PROGRAM FILES.

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Sun, 2015-12-20 18:05
Pichoro
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What the guy with the megaphone said.

Tue, 2016-01-05 11:07
DerangedHermit

Strange thing here, I cannot put two of the colorless symbols next to one another ("Add C to your mana pool" works fine, but I cannot type "Add CC to your mana pool.")
I can use the symbol multiple times in one text box, just as long as no two are next to one another. When I try to insert it using the "insert symbol" option, it inserts an uppercase C, not the symbol.

Anyone else having this problem?

Tue, 2016-01-05 12:51
Pichoro
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No, I have that problem too now that I'm looking. I'll see what I can do about it.

Edit: Scratch that. I've only reproduced this error using magic-new-extra. Are you using that template or another one?

Regardless, I'll have to post a fix to magic-new-extra for this tonight. Or later today. Or sometime soon.

Tue, 2016-01-05 15:15
WindyDelcarlo
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Magic-new-extra had some problems with typing two symbols back to back in the text box anyways. At least, I remember that being a problem at one point in time; not sure if it got fixed.

Tue, 2016-01-05 15:20
DerangedHermit

Is the magic-new-extra template the "M15 Extra" cardstyle in MSE? I have used that one in the past, but not in this case. This problem appears with every style I have tried, including the basic M15 cardstyle.

Tue, 2016-01-05 15:27
WindyDelcarlo
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magic-new-extra is the Modern extra template. M15 Extra is M15 extra.
I have no problem in the M15 template.

Tue, 2016-01-05 15:33
Pichoro
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DerangedHermit, I'm going to guess you didn't get your game file updated. Any errors in console? Any errors during installation? Is your copy of MSE in Program Files (it can't be if you want it to work).

Tue, 2016-01-05 19:39
DerangedHermit

I've reinstalled MSE (on a location outside Program Files) and reapplied the latest updates, and the problem is gone now. Thanks!

In the previous version I used a fix that changed the ordering of mana symbols of wedge cards that I found in this thread: http://magicseteditor.sourceforge.net/node/9588
Maybe that caused the problem?

Tue, 2016-01-05 23:22
solthanlas
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I used code N for the <> symbol.

It seemed easier since it was listed as an available code that did not require changing other code. It took me an hour or so to learn the scripting, but I understood it with the tutorials you have written.

https://goo.gl/photos/S3APpipt28QzywTQ6

This is a sample.

Wed, 2016-01-06 00:11
WindyDelcarlo
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C is used by Wizards

Wed, 2016-01-06 01:07
Pichoro
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Can I ask, why not just download the templates after they have all been changed over?

Anyway, enjoy. I went with C because WotC uses it, some of the scripting already allowed for "C", and "chaos" really works fine since the Chaos symbol doesn't need its own letter. And I already changed every template to use "C" for colorless.

Edit: Also, I've now posted an update to magic-new-extra that fixes the error in it.

Fri, 2016-01-08 07:41
elementalheroshadow
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i seem to be having a problem i don't think anyone else has: being that, after installing the colorless symbol, mse will crash within a couple seconds of clicking on the style change tab. colorless symbols also only seem to work inside the text box and not the mana cost, but that's a less pressing issue. advice?

Fri, 2016-01-08 07:46
SonictheBrushwagg
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That actually kept happening to me as well. Can't say it will fix anything for sure, but I tried reinstalling and the crashing stopped.



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Fri, 2016-01-08 17:07
elementalheroshadow
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tried uninstalling and reinstalling mse twice, reinstalling the packages each time, and its still not working.

Sat, 2016-01-09 14:30
fenrir666

Same here and same situation, tried reinstalling multiple times, no dice, and I even have it installed to the desktop vs the program files due to the permissions issue :/

Sat, 2016-01-09 23:50
Pichoro
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I wish I knew what to say here. No errors during installation? I'm not sure what's wrong. Especially because it's working for others.

Sun, 2016-01-10 09:29
fenrir666

Well, did a reinstall of EVERYTHING and the updates, and remade my (quite makeshift) colorless mana watermark, and it's all back up to snuff!

Sun, 2016-01-10 17:39
elementalheroshadow
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wait what specifically did you do? cause mine still doesn't work

Mon, 2016-02-15 15:42
Mur96
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Dont know why, but when I updated and used M15, the Card Style window... doesnt do anything at all, and when I click it again, it doesnt show the card, neither any Card Style options. When I put some styles, like Futireshifted, appears their options but not the card preview. When I come back to M15 the options remain the same, and when I click them it freezes. What the heck did just happen?

Mon, 2016-02-15 18:35
Pichoro
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If there are error messages in the console tab, I need them or I can't help you.

Mon, 2016-02-15 20:00
Mur96
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Ok, this was pretty strange.

So, I made a copy of MSE. I installed all, then suddenly I was not able to open the M15 style. Kinda strange, but I unpacked anything then, as I did last time, replaced everything, and worked perfectly!

I´m kinda confused, but if you install and does not work, replace all contents manually. If you replaced everything and doesnt work, install normally (vice versa). Pretty damn stupid, huh?

Wed, 2016-02-17 22:40
Convex Frost Fire
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I'm having a bit of a problem.

When I try an open my Style page on MSE, the program stops responding.

Help?

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Thu, 2016-03-03 08:44
Flo00
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Could you put the update on the "Addiitonal Downloads" page please? It's easier to find if its there.
Or is this just an unofficial update that's still in progress?

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Sun, 2016-03-06 11:04
Jéské Couriano
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Flo00 ) All the Magic templates (at least at Pichoro's site) have already been updated for it. Just download a random Magic installer off of there.

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Wed, 2016-03-23 20:51
Lie101

I can't get the M15 style working right or any of the next things. When I go to install the lastest installer I keep getting that things can't install and then the program stops working. Anyone know what to do about this? I really want the colorless mana symbol especially and none of these things are working A sad &#039;frowny&#039;

Wed, 2016-03-23 23:51
Jéské Couriano
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Lie101 ) Pardon the shouting.

MOVE YOUR MAGIC SET EDITOR INSTALL OUT OF PROGRAM FILES.

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Thu, 2016-03-24 02:19
Lie101

I just tryed, and unless i'm taking out the wrong file its not helping. It keeps saying error 5 access denied and when i go into MSE it under the console its says warnings while reading file. I can do things just not post m15.

Thu, 2016-03-24 05:58
Jéské Couriano
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Lie101 ) You need to remove EVERY SINGLE MSE2 FILE OUT OF PROGRAM FILES.

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Thu, 2016-03-24 17:35
Lie101

Got it! Thanks.

Sat, 2016-04-02 23:41
Dinalfos5
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Hey, I think I'm having similar problems as others here after downloading this update. Clicking on the 'Styles" menu eventually causes it to crash if you don't switch taps quickly enough. If you click to another tab after clicking on style, console says the following errors.
(exclamation mark in a red circle) 'Package not found: 'C:\Program Files(x86)\Magic Set Editor 2\data\magic-doomtown.mse-style'
(exclamation mark in a yellow triangle): Package not found: 'Magic-doomtown.mse-style'

I've taken a screenshot of the relevant information if it helps, http://sta.sh/022jjp9skxgc

It seems like something relevant to 'doomtown' is missing and it causes the program to crash without it to crash.
For now it seems like my only recourse is to uninstall and just not upload the most recent update with colorless mana. Hopefully that will fix things. If not, this problem is much deeper than just this upload. In the meantime, until this glitch is fixed, still no working colorless mana symbols.

Sun, 2016-04-03 01:03
ZephyrPhantom
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Quote:
'C:\Program Files(x86)\Magic Set Editor 2\data\magic-doomtown.mse-style'

Quote:
Lie101 ) You need to remove EVERY SINGLE MSE2 FILE OUT OF PROGRAM FILES.

Have you tried that?


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Sun, 2016-04-03 08:20
Dinalfos5
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ZephyrPhantom) Yes, I did, I saw that option and made sure I removed all the files in the program files, I searched them out and couldn't find any more. So I am quite certain that is not the problem, yet it still crashes and I still get that error message.
Is there a way to acquire this missing Doomtown file? It seems to be an option for an alternate card game for use with the set, it's absence seems to be causing the problem, at least if the error messages are to be believed.

Sun, 2016-04-03 08:26
ZephyrPhantom
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Check http://msetemps.sourceforge.net/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?t=144 . Doomtown's installer should be at the bottom at one of the posts and should correct any missing file issues you have.


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Sun, 2016-04-03 17:47
Dinalfos5
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ZephyrPhantom) Thank you very much, that did indeed seem to be what was missing. It no longer crashes and now I can use the style tab again. I guess the new update referenced the style existing, but didn't include the actual files. So anyone else with that problem can just click this link http://msetemps.sourceforge.net/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?t=144 and make sure they download the Doomtown style.

Fri, 2016-06-03 02:19
taptwo

Any chance of X/<> mana symbols being developed? (a-la Beseech the Queen, but with colorless mana.)

Currently generic hybrid symbols only work with WUBRG symbols.

If not, does anyone want to guide me towards how I would develop this?

Thanks!

EDIT: Nevermind, I found the solution here: http://magicseteditor.sourceforge.net/node/6118