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Wed, 2015-12-23 08:41
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So here's an idea-- now that M15 sets have the capability for silver/gold borders, can we have sets that aren't MSE Modern legal be gold bordered?
Gold border was used on Championship Series deck reprints, which were generally not legal cause the back was different.

Why Y'gra gets gold, prolly a jacqui question

@fluffy: extract it, move the custommagic folder to the plugins folder of LackeyCCG main folder, replace the one that's there.

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Wed, 2015-12-23 08:58
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I feel kind of offended that it was arbitrarily decided that it shouldn't be legal. Some other new sets in here also apparently have had that treatment done to them, cause there are set symbols I don't recognize. I know we've discussed straight up banning sets before, but it feels like there should be a bit more discussion about stuff like that.

I like bears.

Wed, 2015-12-23 11:09
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Now, that's weird. Are they supposed to be there in a trial period or something? Why didn't other sets get a trial period, then? We could try making decks with those anyway and see if they work, mh? I mean, that's way too early to ban those, I think.

Wed, 2015-12-23 18:03
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Gold border sets are sets that aren't legal in MSE Modern but still in the plugin anyway. We had a lot of decks where people would run a card thinking it was legal and it wasn't. I updated the card images for VEB block, Struggles of Iscathia, and Hour of Revolution to reflect that.

As for the other gold border sets-- the duel decks are gold border, so Wind vs. Revela and the new Govt. vs. Mercenaries deck are both gold border. I was under the impression I Can't Understand Who's Talking wasn't meant to be format legal. (If that was a wrong impression then I'm really really really sorry about that.)

Champions of Y'gra is gold because when I read your post my mind saw "not MSE Modern legal" and thought, "OK, Marzen's two sets aren't Modern legal." Of course, Ante Up was the illegal one and Y'gra was totally fine. So uh. I fucked up. (Which seems to be a recurring theme of this update.) Really, really sorry about my incompetence.

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Wed, 2015-12-23 18:21
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It doesn't work because the allcards.txt file in Wind's version of Atog is squished so that the rules text is in the subheading. If you open the file for yourself in Excel you can see the problem-- the card text is in column L on creatures and in column K on noncreatures. This is as opposed to column M, the text subheading, where the text is supposed to be.

Xoltan's card images are missing from the set images. Grrrrrrrrgggggggghhhhhh. This is my mistake, though, not Wind's.

Do tokens and stuff work in your version?

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Wed, 2015-12-23 18:44
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@Fluffy: Hopefully that's just Lackey display and not the move overwriting your decks somehow. From the Lackey Deck Editor, hit the Browse button above the deck name, and navigate to plugins/custommagic/decks if it's not there already. Mine were wiped off the display but were still saved in the folder.

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Wed, 2015-12-23 18:48
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Yeah, the safest thing to do is post your decklists somewhere online as a text document. At some point Wind's going to set up a Lackey plugin subforum and we'll have a thread for that.

I mean, if you cast a Grizzly Trainer, does it make the bear token? Tokens were bonked in my version of the upload.

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Wed, 2015-12-23 19:04
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@fluffy: Welp. I'd say run through your recycling bin otherwise my advice blanked your lists :/
Next time around we'll either need to back up the .deks or replaces the images, sets and whatever else files one by one instead of in one go.

@jacqui: Grizzly Trainer did give me a 2/2 Bear token, no art tho.

Looking at the Excel version, it looks like the exporter isn't using two blank cells correctly. Noncreatures have their Rarity in the Toughness box (Goes Power|Tough|Rarity), Creatures are putting the text into the script cell (Sound|Script|Text), and since noncreatures already slid back one, theirs goes into the Sound cell.

This is not perfect, as there are some that have double empties and some in the right boxes, but it is common. Also, Excel should be able to fix most of this via sorting, I'mma give it a whirl.

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Wed, 2015-12-23 19:06
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You did put the Pinko list up here unless it changed since then. Comment links don't like to work, but found it at the bottom of page 6.

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Wed, 2015-12-23 19:48
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There was a lot of weirdness going on with the allcards file. I'll try to get that fixed up for the next up update

Wed, 2015-12-23 20:13
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Yeah Wind like... I'm going to take a shot at fixing that.

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Wed, 2015-12-23 21:02
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Through the magic of Excel, an allcards fix. Still ~70 cards that have their script stuck in the rules text, but other than those, everything's rarity, sound, script and rules text should be where it belongs now. Should work until they can fix the issues at the source.

Goes in plugins/custommagic/sets, change the name of your old allcards.txt so it's still around if something bugs out.

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Wed, 2015-12-23 21:04
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Wait nvm, Cajun is our savior.

(Well I don't know for sure since I need to import all this new stuff but otherwise-- Cajun is our savior.)

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Wed, 2015-12-23 21:49
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Hm. I think I can fix the weird cards.

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Wed, 2015-12-23 22:05
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Also, I'm like 99% sure the reason why some of the tokens are busted is that they're saved as pngs. Sorry, I instinctively save renders like that. My bad.

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Wed, 2015-12-23 22:05
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Most of the oddities are easy to fix, jus take time. Lot quicker to sort to find all the misplaced texts and copy-paste them over a row than manual splitting the fused texts.

Then there's the oddball ones like Burnt Coin that have a second Rules text cell with Buyback, or the Planeswalkers with half their ultimate cut off. Iunno whats going on with those.

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Wed, 2015-12-23 23:28
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https://www.dropbox.com/s/c2mqvworqokkbst/allcards.txt?dl=0

https://www.dropbox.com/s/vrxhr1wh01lu3fq/XOL.zip?dl=0

https://www.dropbox.com/s/csozbj40njwo7wo/tokens.zip?dl=0

Ok, I think these are the fixed versions of the allcards file and the tokens folder, as well as the missing images for XOL. I can't upload a ZIP that large right now but just replace the files in Wind's thing to fix everything up.

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Thu, 2015-12-24 04:28
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So, how do I do this? DL Winds thing, then replace certain things with jaquis?

Step: zero to one

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Thu, 2015-12-24 04:35
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Mhm. Go into sets, replace the allcards.txt with mine, replace the tokens folder with mine, and add the XOL file.

Wind will likely end up making this into a nice, not broken package.

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Thu, 2015-12-24 04:40
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Download Wind's, replace the allcards.txt in Lackey's plugins/custommagic/sets with jacqui's, drop the XOL folder into the setimages folder at the same place. For the tokens, pretty sure you drop it into setimages as well, let it merge with Tokens there already and overwrite any old versions.

/takes forever to type and ninjad

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Thu, 2015-12-24 04:50
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Cajun, if you're on right now, want to compare versions?

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Thu, 2015-12-24 05:08
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I've got Atog plus your edits, so iunno what would be off, but I'm around.

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Thu, 2015-12-24 06:04
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why did a random 0/1 black Spider make it into the card pool? Also, Xoltan is missing all the cards from Library

Thu, 2015-12-24 06:07
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Turn 3 kill viable. Turn 4 kill consistent. What card needs to be changed here?

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2x Overlord of Dega
3x Drowner of Worlds

The Reanimation
4x Carrier of Souls
4x Resurrect

The Selection
4x Prophesize
4x Pierce the Depths
4x Riddle of the Crypt
4x Cephalid Trickery
4x Callow Mage
4x Sapphire Spellbomb

The Protection
3x Negate

The Mana
1x Swamp
1x Snow-Covered Island
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2x Marsh Flats
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Thu, 2015-12-24 06:30
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SPOILER ALERT: It's the three mana instant speed reanimate.

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Thu, 2015-12-24 06:35
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Yea Resurrect really has no business being three mana or an instant, let alone both.

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Thu, 2015-12-24 07:40
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Hey, uh, guys? Caw-blade is legal in MSE Modern Squadron Hawk is in IotE and Linela has the daggers and the Stoneforge rip-off

Thu, 2015-12-24 16:10
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Here I am trying to make balanced versions of ridiculous cards and y'all are just putting them in directly.

@Herz: There is something to be said about too much fixing.

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Thu, 2015-12-24 17:54
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So, I'm working on sorting promos into their own set. That way, if you look up "MSE Modern" you can still get promo versions of cards legal in MSE Modern.
By the way, if you load up a deck after an update and some of the cards disappear, look in the chat log and it'll tell you what cards it couldn't find (this could be because of a name change or a set change)

Thu, 2015-12-24 18:23
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Thanks for the apology, Jaqcui Stick out your tongue I'll just play like Y'gra isn't gold bordered.

We lost a lot of rad stuff this update. None of my decks work right anymore. Didn't really get any updates that I could find for my awesome Time-Eater deck, either. Anyone know a way to cheat a seven cost permanent in on turn 3? Big smile Or, like, just cheat in a permanent like that?

Also I'm surprised we have no "can't be attacked unless they pay 2" effects. We have one. It's gold bordered.

Also, diggin' the update on the covetous squirrel. As in, the scratching out. Not the actual update. RIP Boggles.

I like bears.

Thu, 2015-12-24 18:27
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I can cheat in an 8-drop on turn 3/4 consistently. If you want to see how, see the previous decklist Stick out your tongue

Thu, 2015-12-24 18:32
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Sylphin Deserter is still really really good. I wonder if w/b bogles is a thing?

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Thu, 2015-12-24 18:32
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Speaking of promos, does Lackey have any way to do Textless cards? I like the fullart over the foiling but Lackey doesn't seem to show rules text if there's an art.

@pay 2: I do have Ghostly Prison in the lineup, but it might get gold-bordered too as it's not a normal set.

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Thu, 2015-12-24 18:35
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I've got a Propaganda effect planned in an upcoming set. It's actually got a few staples that are missing. By pure coincidence Winking smiley

So, does Library just not get added. I mean, I know most people don't know it exists, but it's out there

Thu, 2015-12-24 18:39
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I think it was on my to-do list and got lost

Thu, 2015-12-24 18:48
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Someone must have sealed it away. How sad

Thu, 2015-12-24 18:49
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So I went through every mythic and made a deck for myself called "interesting cards". I might do it for rares too, but whoof, that's a lot.

I saw a card called "Summon Life" and was absolutely blown away by how broken it was. I just HAD to make an elf deck and shove this in there and show everyone before it was banned. I had to win with it ONCE. Then I noticed I hadn't read the word "total". Whoops.

It's still an amazing Elf finisher, though.

I like bears.

Thu, 2015-12-24 18:50
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What it do

Thu, 2015-12-24 19:05
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Summon Life X mana symbolGreen mana symbolGreen mana symbol
Sorcery Mythic Rare
Summon life can't be countered.
Search your library for any number of green creatures with total converted mana cost X mana symbol or less and put them onto the battlefield, then shuffle your library.

I'm also prolly gonna put it in the Dryad/Avatar deck I'm making from Mercadian Tides.

Also, is VEB banned? I thought it was. I'm seeing a lot of really good cards from it, but y'know...

I like bears.

Thu, 2015-12-24 18:55
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You still haven't read the word total, lol

Sounds fun to play with. It's like green sun's zenith. But we should now be careful about printing Land creatures

Thu, 2015-12-24 18:59
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VEB is removed. Apparently something about it stopped Jacqui from gold-bordering it, so instead it makes a noise (and will not show up if you set the "Format" to MSE Modern)

Thu, 2015-12-24 19:00
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Since I can't update the borders of the original VEB set, I've made all the cards from that set make a "BOING" noise when they enter the battlefield to ensure that people realize they're playing with illegal cards.
VEB is out.

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Sure thing about the Deserter. Also, since that never got in, the paradox cost should probably be 2 mana symbolWhite mana symbol
Possible wrench with Deserter.

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Thu, 2015-12-24 19:53
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I printed a land creature, actually. It's an experiment. If anyone's able to break him I'll be very impressed.

Also, no one's been online since I've updated. I dunno if that's just that no one's actually been on, or it's not noticing anyone cause our files are slightly different. Has anyone actually played a game?

I like bears.

Thu, 2015-12-24 19:58
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I played a game late last night. I've just been not on because I've been working on the update plugin Lackey will detect people if they have the wrong version of the template, it'll just warn you that they don't match (which will cause problems for every card) when you join a game

Fri, 2015-12-25 03:12
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Hey, Ugin's Call is pretty good sideboard tech against reanimator

Fri, 2015-12-25 03:34
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Yeah, that was what I made it for! Or Show and Tell. Any of those unfair types...

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Fri, 2015-12-25 04:11
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I couldn't find a set file for VEB anywhere. If Wind could change the set to have gold borders I'd love that.

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Fri, 2015-12-25 04:16
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I can indeed. Pretty sure I'll update with the release of SoR, which will include making the tokens a bit neater and a few cards that are missing things

Fri, 2015-12-25 10:30
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Okay so, what all do I need to download?! Just the Atog update file?

Fri, 2015-12-25 13:53
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Download Wind's, replace the allcards.txt in Lackey's plugins/custommagic/sets with jacqui's, drop the XOL folder into the setimages folder at the same place. For the tokens, pretty sure you drop it into setimages as well, let it merge with Tokens there already and overwrite any old versions.

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