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Mon, 2015-12-21 20:49
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!?!?!?

Why

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Mon, 2015-12-21 21:01
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New computer had a problem. Called the number to get help. They asked for access to my old computer since the new one wouldn't work long enough. I'm dumb and accepted. Others on my end decided to help me out and inform me that I was probably just hacked.

Tue, 2015-12-22 04:26
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So here's an idea-- now that M15 sets have the capability for silver/gold borders, can we have sets that aren't MSE Modern legal be gold bordered?

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Tue, 2015-12-22 05:01
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So, this update is going to have to be delayed until I can get MSE figured out and recreate the whole thing. All my Lackey files are corrupted which means I can't do anything short of try downloading it from drive again and hope it just downloaded incorrectly

Tue, 2015-12-22 17:02
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Hm.

I could try and update the set files?

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Tue, 2015-12-22 17:04
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If you can do the exports of all the new sets (I still have access to the currently available files) I can code it up

Tue, 2015-12-22 18:11
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Uh, sure. What sets are we doing? Kore Set 15, Xoltan, Dabriohm, Assassin's Creed, Mercadian Tides, Tales of/Rewriting Aresia (not MSE Modern) legal, and possibly something else?

I can code it in I think.

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Tue, 2015-12-22 18:32
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My two sets, Ante Up! (Not MSE Modern) and Champions of Y'gra are both in too.

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Tue, 2015-12-22 18:41
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Do you have updated set files for the two of them?

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Tue, 2015-12-22 18:52
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Thankfully, all my MSE files are safe, so I didn't lose, like, all my data for SoR when I release that in the next update. I just need to get my MSE sorted out

Tue, 2015-12-22 18:53
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I'm actually kind of enjoying importing files.

Curious though-- did we have a list of all the cards that received errata?

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Tue, 2015-12-22 18:55
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Especially on your end, Wind. I have no idea what's changing in TD

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Tue, 2015-12-22 18:57
WindyDelcarlo
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You mean the ones that changed between the last release and this one?

Tue, 2015-12-22 19:45
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I don't think we ever reached a tangible list. The judges thread is buried under this holiday weight somewhere

Tue, 2015-12-22 19:54
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Yes, Wind. I need the updated Temporal Dawn file.

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Tue, 2015-12-22 19:57
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I know that one of my equipment needed a nerf. Do you want me to send a new Dragonborn file? Is that easiest?

EDIT: Actually I just saw that the Skyrim block isn't in your list. Not sure if that was intentional. It is a fan set so I could see that.

Check out my updated set hub.

Tue, 2015-12-22 20:09
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I sent you them on Skype.

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Tue, 2015-12-22 20:26
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I just uploaded the updated set file for I Can't Understand Who's Talking, with Naiam Wood and the other things you mentioned fixed and Beguiling Buccaneer changed.
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Tue, 2015-12-22 20:38
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Skyrim is in the plugin. Thanks to the both of you for the set files.

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Tue, 2015-12-22 20:46
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Actually, Marzen, could you upload the updated ones and post them here? I can't download them off Skype.

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Tue, 2015-12-22 21:18
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Also, apologies to HVT but the export file for Dabriohm is interminably *$!# up and I don't think I'm going to be able to export it without like eight hours of work. It's related to the upgrade template. What I'd need to do is remove all the cards that use the template, remake them on the standard artifact template, reexport but taking care to make sure the original set's images are in place, and add it to the file. Which is way more work than I'm willing to do when there are ten other sets in the upgrade. Really, really sorry about this.

Language jacqui....

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Tue, 2015-12-22 21:28
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Tue, 2015-12-22 23:38
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Wind, do you mind if I made Sylphin Deserter cost 1B and be 2/1

Also would you mind if I removed the cost reduction on Battlefield Forgemaster because come on dog

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Tue, 2015-12-22 23:40
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Oh, did I never remove the cost reduction? Yeah, get that out of there.

Sure thing about the Deserter. Also, since that never got in, the paradox cost should probably be 2 mana symbolWhite mana symbol

Tue, 2015-12-22 23:45
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I wanted to add it but some of the cards were a little too wonky. Next update I am almost 100% sure it's going into the format.

By the way, gold borders look hot. (As do the silver borders on Ante Up!)

[center]"It's exciting to create something that demonstrates how clever you are, that you pushed in a direction that players didn't anticipate. The problem is that the point of game design isn't to be clever, it's to create a great game." --Mark Rosewater

Wed, 2015-12-23 00:03
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As an aside, a few minor changes--

-- I fixed up some of the set symbols. K15 looks fuller now and Xoltan has an inverted common symbol.
-- To avoid a repeat name, Unform from K15 is now Soul Pierce. (Which is nice because it's the opposite of Spell Pierce, el-oh-el!)
-- The 1/1 red vanilla from TD is now a bad Somberwald Vigilante instead of a literal piece of flaming human excrement

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Wed, 2015-12-23 00:09
WindyDelcarlo
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That'd be a 1/2, right?

Wed, 2015-12-23 00:27
jacqui-pup
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No, that's the white one.

Also, unrelated, what's the set codes for Tales of Aresia and Rewriting Aresia (which are actually ok for MSE Modern now that I've gone through them?)

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Wed, 2015-12-23 00:46
WindyDelcarlo
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So, what did you end up changing it to?

Wed, 2015-12-23 00:56
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The white vanilla is still a 1/2. The red vanilla has the Ashenmouth Hound ability.

Also, set codes: I made all the duel decks DDXvY. (DDWvR instead of WVR, for instance.) Set codes for Tales and Rewriting Aresia are Tales and RWA.

Misc. fixes:
The spawn token is now of an Atog. Get it!?!?
Since I can't update the borders of the original VEB set, I've made all the cards from that set make a "BOING" noise when they enter the battlefield to ensure that people realize they're playing with illegal cards.

[center]"It's exciting to create something that demonstrates how clever you are, that you pushed in a direction that players didn't anticipate. The problem is that the point of game design isn't to be clever, it's to create a great game." --Mark Rosewater

Wed, 2015-12-23 01:05
WindyDelcarlo
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All two of the duel decks? Or did you add ones I missed?

Wed, 2015-12-23 01:13
jacqui-pup
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All two of them! Lol.

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Wed, 2015-12-23 01:16
WindyDelcarlo
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I haven't actually gotten to test GvM, so if you guys want to play with those when the update comes up, feel free!

Wed, 2015-12-23 01:30
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Okay, I just need to upload the updated Assassin's Creed and we're ok here.

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Wed, 2015-12-23 02:00
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So the tokens I added (minus ACC) are less "token" and more "broken" but otherwise the plugin works basically perfectly! Wind can fix it I'm sure.

(PS: I spent literally eight hours on this! Newfound appreciation for Windy.)

[center]"It's exciting to create something that demonstrates how clever you are, that you pushed in a direction that players didn't anticipate. The problem is that the point of game design isn't to be clever, it's to create a great game." --Mark Rosewater

Wed, 2015-12-23 02:04
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I was so worried because I lost some 2 GB of Lackey files, one of which being this plugin that I was going to update literally in about 10 minutes when the problems happened.

Wed, 2015-12-23 02:12
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https://www.dropbox.com/s/h7fj60zzeyn6mqm/custommagic.zip?dl=0

Well... I don't know if we all want to update until Wind can fix the tokens and stuff? But this is good too maybe.

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Wed, 2015-12-23 02:14
WindyDelcarlo
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I'll be looking over it and doing stuff for it, don't worry

EDIT: Problem 1: Tokens needs to be in the same file as the sets.

Wed, 2015-12-23 02:47
jacqui-pup
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But they are in the allcards file. Puzzled

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Wed, 2015-12-23 02:58
WindyDelcarlo
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I just noticed that. Let me see... I'm going over and fixing up other things I tend to like to have ready.
Out of curiosity, why the heck are there quotation marks around the name of every single legend?

Wed, 2015-12-23 04:08
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MSE exporter doesn't like commas iirc. Probably around a handful of Planeswalkers as well.

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Wed, 2015-12-23 04:11
WindyDelcarlo
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Yeah, they're around planeswalkers too, but the commas are fine whenever I export it. I've literally never seen this problem before I fixed it

Wed, 2015-12-23 04:20
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Should I wait for Wind to fix a few things before I download this new update, or are we good, Wind?

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Wed, 2015-12-23 04:21
WindyDelcarlo
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There's some things I'm fixing, yeah

Also, Marzen, I STILL need to know how you want Ante Up boosters to look (i.e. 1 rare, 1 uncommon, 1 common, and 178 ante specific cards? Or what? )

Wed, 2015-12-23 05:01
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Oh, sorry. It's exactly like a normal pack, except instead of the land spot is one of the ante specific card. I don't remember what packs are right now. 10 commons, 3 uncommons, 1 rare?

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Wed, 2015-12-23 05:08
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Yeah, that

Wed, 2015-12-23 05:43
jacqui-pup
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Are you making packs for all the new sets or what?

By the way, Ante Up looks really fun as a draft supplement.

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Wed, 2015-12-23 05:54
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I'm working on doing all the packs, yep. There's two extra tabs going on for whatever reason in the allcards file, so i'm fixing it.

Wed, 2015-12-23 07:33
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So, here's what I've got. I'm so sorry about the awkward piecing together of this; I had everything new written down somewhere and what not, and I'll certainly try to make sure I can have access to that information going forward.

Update Atog!

Wed, 2015-12-23 08:22
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So uh.... I know Ante Up! isn't Modern legal, that'd be silly... but why was Champions of Y'gra kicked out of Modern? And... given a weird yellow border? What does a yellow border even mean?

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