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Mon, 2015-11-02 00:41
WindyDelcarlo
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Nope, I was using tutors to locate Deadgrowth.

Mon, 2015-11-02 00:48
justnobody
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Nothing says "fair" like 20 mountains and 38 one-drops. Mono-red may or may not be the best possible deck, but I figure it's a good metagame call in a developing and disruption-heavy field. If anyone has a Mentor Aristocrats list, I'm interested to see how it performs - that seems like the best combo deck now that the strongest dredge enablers have been banned. I'm kind of sad that Sunken Runestone got axed, and not just because I designed it - it was the core of a fair graveyard-based toolbox deck of a type that has never really existed before. Still probably not fast enough for the current meta.

Met the devil of card design and sacrificed my creativity for unparalleled templating skill.

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Mon, 2015-11-02 01:40
jacqui-pup
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Yeah, I was terrified of all the one-mana burn spells that were inevitably printed at some point or another too.

[center]"It's exciting to create something that demonstrates how clever you are, that you pushed in a direction that players didn't anticipate. The problem is that the point of game design isn't to be clever, it's to create a great game." --Mark Rosewater

Mon, 2015-11-02 01:41
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Incidentally, I considered errataing Sunken Runestone to require a Forest, Island, AND Swamp to work. The surface cards are all very, very good.

[center]"It's exciting to create something that demonstrates how clever you are, that you pushed in a direction that players didn't anticipate. The problem is that the point of game design isn't to be clever, it's to create a great game." --Mark Rosewater

Mon, 2015-11-02 03:48
Horizons
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Is there a way for me to somehow filter out all the cards that are never going to have a constructed utility?

Mon, 2015-11-02 04:05
WindyDelcarlo
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Sadly, there's no way for Lackey (or me, for that matter ) to sort that out. If you can find a Gatherer tool that'll do it, it'll work on Lackey too via the filters.

Mon, 2015-11-02 14:45
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My Spidermoon deck was way too slow and vulnerable to shuffling disasters, but I'm thinking of turning it into UB Reanimator. Depends on the targets, but I've seen some good ones like Drowner of Worlds. Between the awesome counterspells, Cephalid Trickery, Ostracism and the practically free flashback on Dismissed Hopes, Reanimator looks doable. Resurrect for reanimation.

Mon, 2015-11-02 15:06
WindyDelcarlo
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Don't worry, shuffling problems happen to the best of decks A mono-red deck needs one land, but if it can't get that it can't function

Mon, 2015-11-02 16:01
Decembra
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Something very fishy about running 3-ofs and 2-ofs. I fishbowled a few times and hardly ever saw them, even though I was digging and milling myself 3-deep. Might just have had poor luck, but in any case I'm going ahead with Reanimator Stick out your tongue

Mon, 2015-11-02 16:19
WindyDelcarlo
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Need to stay on spiders for the GP, right?

Mon, 2015-11-02 17:21
Decembra
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Why do I need to?

Mon, 2015-11-02 17:23
ThisisSakon
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Their webs are sticky and you can't escape?

Mon, 2015-11-02 17:24
WindyDelcarlo
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Didn't you already register the deck through Mario? Are we allowed to change after they've been sent in?

Mon, 2015-11-02 20:27
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@Windy: I did register the deck then cancelled that, but if you all want to move it along and have someone else ready to play I don't mind stepping aside. It's really pointless trying to play that Spidermoon deck, it's just not at the same level as everything else. Since this isn't a pay to win format or even related to money at all, there's really no reason not to bring a more competitive deck. I will still brew something that I haven't seen others playing for variety, and personally would feel a tad cheap if I just filled my new deck with all of the proven best.

Mon, 2015-11-02 20:48
WindyDelcarlo
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I didn't mean anything aggressive about it, I was just wondering about it.

Tue, 2015-11-03 05:54
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<3 Herzi.

@Windy: Oh, I didn't think you meant it aggressively, I just know I'm taking a while and wanted to provide an alternative. I'll have my new decklist in today and will play it regardless.

Tue, 2015-11-03 05:59
WindyDelcarlo
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I wasn't worried about that at all, sorry. I didn't even think about how long you were taking until you just commented on it

Strangly, everyone was talking about Cryptify some time ago and I'm the only one I've seen cast it yet Everyone else went in on Spell Leak

Tue, 2015-11-03 14:57
ThisisSakon
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With cards that amazing, plug away!

Tue, 2015-11-03 15:02
WindyDelcarlo
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Jund is going to get really good based on that first card Is that promo in the set file?

Thu, 2015-11-05 22:48
marioware2
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Anyone around and interested in playing some? I have a few decks I'd like to try out. A happy smile

Thu, 2015-11-05 22:50
WindyDelcarlo
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I'll be around in about half an hour. Just getting off school

Thu, 2015-11-05 22:53
ThisisSakon
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I'd play if I knew how, lol

Thu, 2015-11-05 23:02
WindyDelcarlo
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Correction, I may be around later

Thu, 2015-11-05 23:19
jacqui-pup
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@Sakon: just download the plugin and extract the folder into your lackey sets.

[center]"It's exciting to create something that demonstrates how clever you are, that you pushed in a direction that players didn't anticipate. The problem is that the point of game design isn't to be clever, it's to create a great game." --Mark Rosewater

Thu, 2015-11-05 23:27
ThisisSakon
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how do I plugin. The plugin folder? Like, the one in the Lackey CCG folder?

Thu, 2015-11-05 23:28
jacqui-pup
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Yeah. You take the custommagic folder and copy and paste it into the Lackey "plugins" subdirectory that includes war3000.

[center]"It's exciting to create something that demonstrates how clever you are, that you pushed in a direction that players didn't anticipate. The problem is that the point of game design isn't to be clever, it's to create a great game." --Mark Rosewater

Thu, 2015-11-05 23:31
ThisisSakon
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No ok I got it now, just when it comes to menus I lose focus

Fri, 2015-11-06 00:18
WindyDelcarlo
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K1L1?

Fri, 2015-11-06 00:22
ThisisSakon
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Now there's a name I haven't heard in a looooooong time.

K1L1 is another user. Used to be all over the place, now is like a myth. A whisper on the winds of yesterday.

...

You know, he lurks

Fri, 2015-11-06 00:45
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Fri, 2015-11-06 01:05
WindyDelcarlo
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Ah, noted.

Fri, 2015-11-06 01:16
justnobody
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I remember K1L1. Haven't seen him around for a while, though.

And the Ana wedge of Fragments was mostly designed by Tarvoc and I. So if you have issues or want to implement functional errata, let me know.

Met the devil of card design and sacrificed my creativity for unparalleled templating skill.

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Fri, 2015-11-06 01:39
WindyDelcarlo
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Ana is what wedge? Is that Abzan?

Also, trying to find a way to make a gatherer-like website. Not sure what it'd do that Lackey can't, but there's probably something

Fri, 2015-11-06 01:36
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To clarify (since I was one of the people who helped make this set a reality)

Ana-Sultai
Ceta-Temur
Dega-Mardu
Necra-Abzan
Raka-Jeskai

Step: zero to one

Blue/black mana symbol <3 Blue/black mana symbol

Self professed Love Live fan.

Dive into the Planear Ocean and explore whole new worlds!

Fri, 2015-11-06 02:03
WindyDelcarlo
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So, I have a combo deck that I want to test against someone. If anyone's online, I'm available

Fri, 2015-11-06 02:15
jacqui-pup
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ok, let's go for it

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Fri, 2015-11-06 03:46
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What can I say? I'm a serial lurker.

Anyways, here's said Ana list for you to Ana-lyze.

Sultai Shenanigans
Spells:
4x Hathrik's Conditioning - Cabal Therapy is a good card
4x Ostracism - Path to Exile is a good card, too
4x Hunter's Dexterity - Free mill!
4x Dismissed Hopes - Free mill! and excellent removal when combined with Hathrik's Cabaltioning
4x Pierce the Depths - Finds a card to start your Free mill!-ing
2x Sporecloud Hallucinations - The "do-it all again" spell. Unsure of this card

Critters:
4x Canopy Druid - Slight mana acceleration and consistent mill engine
4x Narcomoeba - Free creature!
4x Breeder of the Depths - Free creatures!
4x Alenil Explorer - Life gain keeps us alive as we mill and he's handy for paying Hunter's Dexterity flashback
3x Transcendent Angel - Consistent life gain. Unsure of this card though
2x Ghol, Necrolord of Strahn - Good for breaking through in stalemates

Artifacts/Enchants:
1x Thran Foundry - If the game goes long, all you have to do is use a Pierce the Depths to grab this and make the game go longer

Lands: - only 16 lands. Who needs mana when you're milling for free?
4x Misty Rainforest
4x Verdant Catacombs
2x Fungal Marsh
2x Forest
2x Island
2x Swamp

Finishing the game out is the tough part, but if you can deprive your opponent of cards early on and consistently bounce/exile their threats, Narcos and Frogs can get there.

Current Projects
Secret Project 1 - Creating base set...
Secret Project 2 - Skeleton complete!

Fri, 2015-11-06 03:52
ThisisSakon
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K1L1 how've you beeeeeeennn!?

Fri, 2015-11-06 05:19
Horizons
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Any discard shenanigans I can abuse with Returned Soldiers?

Fri, 2015-11-06 05:29
ThisisSakon
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. . .

Anarkan Automaton gives you infinite discard triggers with it

. . .

Which just kills everyone with Bloodcrazed Vampire.

. . .

Which just instantly mills everyone with Northcoast Crab

. . .

Which gives you infinite mana with Rylarel


So... Yes

Fri, 2015-11-06 05:34
WindyDelcarlo
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There's also just Reanimator.

Fri, 2015-11-06 05:35
ThisisSakon
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Well yeah if you want to be fair

Fri, 2015-11-06 05:36
WindyDelcarlo
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Define "fair"

Fri, 2015-11-06 05:37
ThisisSakon
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Not winning the game on the spot as soon as you play Anarkan Automaton?

Fri, 2015-11-06 05:39
WindyDelcarlo
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Still isn't "fair". It's still an 8/8 hasty lifelinker dragon on turn 4 in blue-black

Fri, 2015-11-06 05:41
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I've been super duper! Hiatus has treated me well.

@Herz: I've looked at both of those, but I don't think the deck hits the mana reliably enough to play them as it is now. I could see dropping the Angels and Narcos and putting in Anazoas and more land though.

Current Projects
Secret Project 1 - Creating base set...
Secret Project 2 - Skeleton complete!

Fri, 2015-11-06 05:45
ThisisSakon
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Wait we reprinted the graveyard jellyfish?! Ah that gives me stuff to work with!


Also, good that you've been doing well! I miss some of the first few RTD people

Fri, 2015-11-06 05:50
WindyDelcarlo
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I'm think I'm just being dumb;, but what does RTD mean?

Fri, 2015-11-06 05:53
ThisisSakon
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Roll to Dodge, iirc.

Like Dungeons and Dragons, but for the multiverse

Fri, 2015-11-06 05:59
WindyDelcarlo
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Oh, right, I saw that a long time ago God, it's so weird to be able to remember that. Was there a non-forums version or just that one?