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Fri, 2016-06-17 19:04
WindyDelcarlo
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I believe that is server side. Try again later

Mon, 2016-06-27 01:59
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Hello, first time commenting after doing a lot of reading about all this. I just wanted to point out a few things. 1.) General Falx Carius seems to be missing a cost and some words, so Wind or whoever is in charge of that please take a peak. 2.) Nissa (the creature) is hella strong. She turns every creature into a Squadron Hawk for two mana. Although I will be sad, I think it should either be nerfed or banned. I would like to say I'm having fun with this new format and will post some new decklists here soon if this is the right place.

Mon, 2016-06-27 04:10
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Yep, you can certainly post decklists here. I'll take a look at the General and contact whoever designed them

Mon, 2016-06-27 04:19
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That would be Guitarweeps. Skyrim block is full of wording oddities and inconsistencies. Its a true bethesda game in card form lol

Mon, 2016-06-27 05:46
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However, the General doesn't actually seem to be missing a cost. The word "pay" is somewhere it shouldn't be (typo) but that's it.

Tue, 2016-06-28 20:17
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@ThisisSakon - which is why you should never do development solo lol

I'll take a look at the general when I get home.

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Sun, 2016-07-03 10:34
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Ok I uninstalled then redownloaded Lackey and the Version Cephalid plugin from the first page and now it's working, so, booyeah! It's got to be the correct version because it's got Ashura in it. However, the new black-bordered version of CUW with all cards with art in it isn't in the plugin, so, yeah, could you try to add that next time? Thanks.

Sun, 2016-07-03 15:43
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ALright, adding that to the list of things I need to remember to add.

(Like, I have an actual list in the plugin update folder )

Sat, 2016-07-09 22:32
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Honored as I am to have two cards double banned in this format, your ban list no longer needs to list Corsair Marauder and Gilded Armor.

P.S. As OP and totally in the format as Greenweaver Druid is, I believe the card you're looking for is Greenheart Druid.

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Fri, 2016-07-15 02:42
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So, there's an Auto-Update URL for the msemagic plugin now! Upon using the URL, you'll be in the new msemagic plugin where you can copy any previous decks. It allows you to only get images from sets when you need them, which (among other things) saves a TON of space in the plugin.

Another thing this lets us do is update MUCH more quickly. Like, Volaria comes out, and it takes about a day before the set is in the plugin. So right now, I want to put this out. Should I update the plugin with the sets that were going to be for the next version, now that versions can update literally as a set comes out?

Tue, 2016-07-26 22:10
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Of note, Library of Eons and Xoltan are now both part of Xoltan, rather than two separate sets. Turns out that's how they were supposed to be

Tue, 2016-07-26 23:19
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Does switching to the auto-update jack up my current decks?

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Fri, 2016-08-05 05:49
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Observatory is now in the plugin! Also, Prophesize from Xoltan is now 2 mana Preordain with cull, so I might suggest looking at if it's still as nuts as it was before in your deck

Fri, 2016-08-05 14:29
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Speaking of updates, I looked at General Falx Carius and I don't see any issues with the templating or cost?

Also, I believe Bloodskal Blade needs a nerf. It was a failed attempt to a balanced Jitte. I am thinking that the last ability should be an attack trigger which is also more thematic and really I think what I wanted the design to be originally (hence the only use while attacking clause). This reduces the ability to use multiple times. So it would look more like this:

Equipped creature gets +1/+1 for each charge counter on Bloodskal Blade.
Whenever equipped creature deals combat damage, put two charge counters on Bloodskal Blade.
Whenever equipped creature attacks, you may remove a charge counter from Bloodskal Blade. If you do, equipped creature deals 2 damage to target creature or planeswalker defending player controls.
Equip 1 mana symbol

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Wed, 2016-08-31 19:06
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There may or may not be some new sets.
(Actually, there definitely is.)

MSE Modern Additions wrote:
  • Volaria, Elemental Battlefield
  • Stratopol
  • Aghesh Unraveled
  • Ichatca
  • Ascent of Deities

And the full list is

Sets Legal in MSE Modern Thus Far wrote:
  • Volaria, Elemental Battlefield
  • Stratopol
  • Aghesh Unraveled
  • Ichatca
  • Ascent of Deities
  • Temporal Dawn
  • Linela, Plane of Past
  • Winds of Change
  • Skyrim
  • Dawnguard
  • Dragonborn
  • Glacia
  • Time Hop
  • Mercadian Tides
  • Realms of Mashara
  • MSE Community Core Set
  • Imprisonment of the Eldrazi
  • Fragments of Rath
  • Lumehaven
  • Scorched Earth [The Arknia Version]
  • Fires of Valla
  • Mercadian Tides
  • Tales of Aresia
  • Rewriting Aresia
  • Assassin's Creed
  • Korakhos Core Set 2015
  • Xoltan
  • Spark of Revolution
  • Preasti
  • Khaliz-Doran
  • Awakening
  • Mukrasa
  • Ashura
  • The Lost Tales
  • Memory's Tyranny
  • Memory's Collapse
  • Dabriohm
  • Revelations of Ziltrem
  • Frystaria
  • Worldfire
  • Pyramids of Atuum
  • Wastes of Muetar

Sat, 2016-10-01 21:22
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A new set file is online for Pyramids of Atuum. I fixed some typos and added the new Create wording - so you might want to update that A happy smile (No changes were made to the cards themselves.)

Sun, 2016-11-20 20:29
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I'm moving some things around in Annexed. Trimming some unnecessary cards and adding a few.

Tue, 2016-12-06 06:13
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Did someone say Avrol~?

Mon, 2017-02-20 06:03
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Alright, let's make this simple. Merfolk of the Rocky Shores is banned in MSE Modern.

The reasoning behind this comes to counterplay. Essentially, there is none. It has such a high versatility alongside flash. It can't be removed due to its ability to simply return itself to its owner's hand and come right back into play. It can block and just blink itself to hand to constantly fog damage. In addition, it also outright kills any deck reliant on 1-toughness creatures. Most aggressive decks, Splinter Twin (for the time being), Young Pyromancer, and red-variant Storm decks come to mind. Its ability to flash itself in on turn 2 and start shocking the opponents face every turn, while also allowing the blue-red player to speed up the clock by using its ability and then returning it to play, has caused us to decide to ban Merfolk of the Rocky Shores.

Several cards from Windy-Standard are being updated, so if you're using any of the following cards, I suggest reviewing your choices:

  • Entelan Erasure - The discard effect now happens upon resolution. In addition, Erasure now exiles itself.
  • Predetermined Results - Replaced with Precognition
  • Lerinan Stormcaster - Nows costs 2 mana symbolRed mana symbol
  • Nilien's Skyscout - Now costs 3 mana symbolBlue mana symbolBlue mana symbol
  • EDIT: Pyretic Cyclone - Oh yeah, this has been updated for a while but not in the plugin. For some reason. Yeah, Cyclone hits all creatures now, not just the opponents'.
  • EDIT: Arina, Cryoshaper - Right, this was also changed. Arina's +1 should say "up to".

Mon, 2017-02-20 21:25
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We've tried to do this four times. Somehow it never happened. Tectonic Shift is banned.

While it's not necessarily broken, it ends games in a way that we decided the format shouldn't have back when we banned Miraculous Epiphany. Essentially, your deck is built in a way that you cast a gigantic spell and win on the spot. With epiphany, you used rituals and Stormcaster to hit 9 mana. For Tectonic Shift? You only need seven.

Fri, 2017-02-24 06:42
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I did it, I got two cards banned and one nerfed Big smile (I am so sorry to anyone who played against UR counterburn while merfolk was legal)

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Fri, 2017-02-24 08:02
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I mean, the nerf was just "You're the first one to point out how absurd it is"

Mon, 2017-03-13 07:49
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MSE Modern update is now live! Repel the Darkness, Goliaths of Nangjiao, Aftermath, Arknia, Mious, and Ophorio are all in. Festenya is having technical issues and Rising Waters is waiting on some edits, but in the mean time, these six are ready

Mon, 2017-03-13 15:35
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Yeah, uh, let's try that again. Arknia somehow managed to not make it into the list when I was scripting it out even though I definitely scripted it out. Thanks Google Drive for storing revisions so I can just go grab the file and add it

Mon, 2017-03-13 22:35
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Ophorio is using the release version instead of the one Herzi and I edited for MSEM. There's 33 cards changed, searchable by "Herzi". I hadn't updated the main page because I was still expecting changes with Noirohpo Renegade.

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Mon, 2017-03-13 22:49
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Oh, noted. I'll fix that, then

Tue, 2017-03-14 02:04
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Alright, MSEM updates!

Obviously, the six sets mentioned above are legal. But at the same time, we have a set that's going to be pulled out of MSE Modern at creator request. You will no longer be allowed to use Winds of Chance (WoC) in MSE Modern.

There's a few updates going on with other cards, but we should be solid now until the next set updates with The Golden Era and Rising Waters

Tue, 2017-03-14 03:22
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League Legalities: To confirm, the six new sets will be legal for the MSEM League and as of now, Winds of Chance is no longer legal, with all the repecrussions that entails.

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Tue, 2017-03-14 03:59
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Sorry about Tectonic Shift. I kinda figured it might be a little crazy. Prob should have been 9cmc at least. I wonder if any other things ive made have a place in mse modern i havent been following it as of late.

Wed, 2017-03-15 20:14
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So, a problem's been fixed with Glacia's cards being tokens. This was a problem with LTA too, so I'm glad that's fixed.

Thing is. This actually produced another problem, where it's likely that the cards you have from Glacia may not match the opponent's. When you update images, the images should be deleted. They aren't always deleted, and even when they are, it can be quite a surprise to see that cards suddenly do something else without updates being mentioned. There were some image changes that happened I was unaware of when fixing the problem, so here we go:

Earthcore Elemental bumped from 4/3 to 3/3.
Blade of Free Will changed to cast 2 mana symbol, equip 3 mana symbol.
Clean Recovery costs 2 mana symbolGreen mana symbolGreen mana symbol
Decree of the Mansion now costs 2 mana symbolWhite mana symbolBlue mana symbol. It also triggers when "one or more" cards becomes exiled, changed from whenever "a card" becomes exiled.
Decree of Tieran now costs 1 mana symbolGreen mana symbolWhite mana symbol.
Resurrect is now a Sorcery.
Unrelenting Flames now costs Red mana symbol, down from Red mana symbolRed mana symbol. In exchange, it only doubles the damage from the next noncombat source this turn.
Sweet Nothings now costs 1 mana symbolBlue mana symbolBlack mana symbol and has flavor text.

In addition, I stealth-updated a single card from TD, Goblin Council, because the card was stupid. It was one card, it seemed not to be a problem to do so, but with this Glacia situation happening, I feel it's more important to make mention of these. Goblin Council now sacrifices for its effects, rather than discards.

Thu, 2017-03-16 17:32
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Fixed all cards with the word Emrakul saying "EMMCkul" because of a Find->Replace error

Fri, 2017-03-17 03:11
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lol that actually sounds like something legit in magic....

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Mon, 2017-03-20 05:42
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So, I have a question to pose to people in the MSEM-playing community. We of the MSEM Council are looking into implying stricter requirements to be added to MSE Modern to make the format better (although adding sets to the plugin for EDH, personal standards, drafts or such is still a thing that can happen without them) and these are still being hammered out. However, these requirement shut out what I believe is a solid half of MSE Modern at this point in time. These are things like art, balance, wording and such. So, here's the options I need to ask.

When the new restrictions get added, do we...

  • leave all sets in MSE Modern that are presently there without requiring them to conform?
  • make sets presently in MSE Modern conform to new standard or be removed from the format?
  • or do something completely different about it?

Knowing why would be interesting and help a lot, if you have reasons, so that'd be great.

Alternatively, do you completely oppose the idea of stricter requirements for joining the format? Do you think it would go against the concept too much, or do you otherwise think it just won't make it better? If so, we'd like to know your thoughts here too.

Mon, 2017-03-20 05:52
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Suggestion
1. Each maker gets one block worth of cards in mse mod (The last 2-3 sets they make, as a base idea) in msemod, the rest in legacy/MSEDH, and for their own standard.
2. Community sets can be looked through and decided.
3. To avoid clunking up the formats, a person needs X sets in the lackey, lets say 4 for example, two blocks, to get their standard built in as an "Official" Standard.
4. I think a standard should be set and followed.
5. We should probably also be willing to ban certain cards, if non of the cards by themselves aren't broken and it's just how they interact.

Mon, 2017-03-20 14:33
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Hard to say since I don't know what the standards are. However I do believe that there should be a standard and just willy nilly throwing every set into MSE Modern is bound to have issues. None of us are professionals and there will be mistakes even if it is just manpower related. Not just talking about power level but wording and such. Even our best developed sets break through with some wording issues.

I think overall this has evolved a bit more than we expected from the beginning. I think having a more developed format would be better and the only way to do that is to have standards to put sets in. I think that excluding current sets to those standards should apply but again I don't know what those are. Not sure what you mean by art for instance. Just that each card has to have art?

A couple things I wonder about with this:

a. Overlapping keywords? Sometimes we have overlap and this is not an issue really until we start compiling them in a format like this. I liked that the designers of gold/profit ended up coming to a conclusion that worked but how would that be applied going forward?
b. Fan sets? As much as I love my Skyrim block I feel kinda weird having Skyrim lore mixed in with magic lore. Not sure if anyone else cares about that or not.
c. Volume. The biggest issue I see with MSEM and what kinda keeps me from doing it is it is overwhelming and will only get more so as we continue having a large number of designers making their own sets. I don't know what to do about this honestly although standards would certainly help.
d. Stigma. I like having standards and making a healthy format. What i don't want is to have a stigma set for any sets that DON'T make the cut. Unless of course we are doing something closer to taking only the high quality sets or something where it is reward vs punishment.

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Mon, 2017-03-20 14:58
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This has definitely evolved to be more than we expected lol.

I think marioware2 laid out a pretty decent set of limits to the MSEM council- if only I could remember them word for word

A) in the atog version of the beta we had a ton of overlapping keywords and cards. Jacqui has since been looking out for things like that (it's how we solved the profit issue)

B) having Skyrim in MSE is no different than having return to Innistrad III. Tamriel is its own world with its own lore. Now if someone just straight copied 2017 America into a set that would be sketch. But fan planes are fine

C) this is a huge issue with MSEM, which is why windy brought up the question of cutting sets to meet quality standards

D) there's no way to say "your set is out" that will keep someone from thinking "my set wasn't good enough." It's a fact of life- people will think what they want. No need to sugar coat it and say "we are rewarding high quality sets, not punishing you." Just bring the set to their attention, remove it from MSEM, and if they fix it up it can come back

Tue, 2017-03-21 04:01
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I'll be honest. This is kinda the type of development I'd hoped for in this format

Wed, 2017-03-22 10:02
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I've been kinda of busy lately so I can't play to much... but I want to start getting into MSEM more and I think once you start cutting some more of the sets that aren't up to par some problems might fix them selves for MSEM. In other news, I was wondering if someone was putting together deck lists that they are working on. If not, could everyone PM their deck list (For MSEM only please) and also tell me if the deck/s they have built have been played often by them?

I think a thread that shared more about the meta would help so that's the only reason why, if you are wondering. Somewhere to talk about card power level, deck power level and most importantly match ups. This could help us define a bit or meta then us just throwing our internet cards at one another every day or so.

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Wed, 2017-03-22 15:11
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Cards I have noted that I think might need to be looked at.

Surging Kalek
Has a turn 2 win that ain't that hard, and can turn 3-4 rather consistently even with my half-arsed attempt of just grabbing cards.
I think this can be fixed by simply changing it to spell, instead of spell or ability.

Mastery of fire
This card combos off itself and goes infinite. Should probably say instant or sorceries or be legendary.

The amount of untapped double lands we have in the format is really allowing turn 2-3 short combo decks, to become more stable, its fine to sac your two lands if you win that turn.

All you need is a 2 drop card turn 1 then 4-5 mana (spirit guide) for the other combo pieces into an auto win.

Fri, 2017-03-24 22:49
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Are there creatures in this format at all? Ascend into Obscurity seems like it would shift the incentive hard into making creatureless decks. But my understanding of mse modern is nil

Also, when is there a time where you would not choose haste for the magma spewer?

Sat, 2017-03-25 19:52
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"Each player" so if you're creatureless the card is kind of worthless.

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Sat, 2017-03-25 23:49
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For some reason i skipped over the "if you can't" clause d'oh.

Wed, 2017-03-29 14:40
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So, there's no update here, but a cool trick that you can use to show cards on forums and through Skype/Discord/Email. If you're anything like me, you've probably looked at cards and been like "I want to write something about these." But no matter what you try to do, you just can't do anything but type out what a card does every time it comes up. Sure, images would be significantly easier, but that means having to upload all the images.

The thing is. We've kind of already done that in enabling auto-updating. So, how do you do this?

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/583716647/MSE_Magic_Other/images/OPO/46.jpg

The link above links to Pristine Prison, the main way I tend to end the game in my White/blue mana symbol Discover deck. It's collector's number 46 in Ophorio (OPO). If you change either of those links, you can get a different card. SO, if you look in Lackey and want, say, Entelan Erasure, you change the set from OPO to SoR, and the number from 46 to 33.

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/583716647/MSE_Magic_Other/images/SoR/33.jpg

This also works in images.

I plan to use this a lot on the forums, so here's the fun technique!

Wed, 2017-03-29 17:17
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Note that if you miss the protocol (http:// or https://) mse or scourgeforce thinks you're linking internally and it doesn't work.

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Wed, 2017-03-29 19:16
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Is there a file that would download all of the legal sets in a separate folder?

Wed, 2017-03-29 23:48
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So, big update.

Big Update is Here.

This doesn't apply to MSE Modern yet, it's just an announcement as to what's changing. Until this goes through [and after it goes through] everything follows whatever the OP says.

Tue, 2017-04-04 14:17
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So it's Ad Naseum. You'll have to find a new win condition, because odds are Aresia isn't going to be looked at (I haven't seen its creator in the last forever) but the rest of that combo looks like it'll stay put.

Wed, 2017-05-24 15:26
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Alright. We've finally done it! (and only almost a month later than we thought we would ) Thanks to all your submissions, we now have a starting list for MSE Modern. We've got 12 sets ready, and it's a brand new open format out there!
Whether you're interested in MSEM tournament play or just casual shenanigans with your friends, This Site is going to be a great resource for lists, tournament results, and ever keeping an eye on the set and ban lists.

Sets Legal in MSE Modern wrote:
  • Tides of War
  • Goliaths of Nangjiao
  • Surging Tide
  • Spark of Revolution
  • Pyramids of Atuum
  • Ophorio
  • Mious
  • Khaliz-Doran
  • Aftermath
  • Imperial Legacies
  • Core Set K2015
  • A Tourney at Whiterun

The name Imperial Legacies may confuse you because it was never announced on the forums. Timespiraled designed that set once we started looking into MSE Modern, sent it in, and it got checked over. It's got some spicy stuff to take a look at when deckbuilding!

The plugin is not yet complete, but we are working hard to get all sets ready!

Thu, 2017-05-25 15:18
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This is the most funky fresh bamboozle jazz I've ever seen. How, this is like a dream come true. Also is there like a tutorial for LackeyCCG? Or am I just stupid?

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Thu, 2017-05-25 18:07
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@Mrchristianpunk: Definitely should be one on the Lackey website. I learned by playing around with it and practising.

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