MSE Modern and LackeyCCG Discussion [Download in Original Post]

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Mon, 2016-02-22 11:40
Guitarweeps
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I am still going to make some edits to Preasti. I'll have a new file on Wed.

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Mon, 2016-02-22 15:35
WindyDelcarlo
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Alright, I'll wait then

Wed, 2016-02-24 07:46
ThisisSakon
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So, we totally have Soul Sisters in MSE modern. Complete with 8 Ajani's Pridemate. I put together a list and I want to see if its as good as I think it is.

Wed, 2016-02-24 15:06
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Yeah, I saw the soul sisters earlier. We actually have 12 sisters as of PReasti's release, because I failed to note that Listless Bulwark does that

Wed, 2016-02-24 15:24
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Well then there's technically a potential 20. There's a 3 mana one that sometimes has lifelink and always gets the counter, and theres a 1 mana one that always has lifelink and sometimes gets the counter.

I'm content using the Plazzo priest from acc and the chapel vampire from mashara. From there you can stretch the deck in 3 different directions, it's pretty cool.

Wed, 2016-02-24 21:13
voltaic-qui
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How we feelin' bout the new blank Spawn token?

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Wed, 2016-02-24 21:38
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I can't Beebleieve how good it looks, Jacqui!

Big smile

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Thu, 2016-02-25 06:43
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Guys, guys, guys...!

Version Beeble! I can't say I'm not excited to play with SoR and Preasti or else I'd be lying! (I also have this overwhelming feeling I was supposed to do something but didn't, so...)

Changelog wrote:
February 24, 2016 - Version Beeble

Set Additions:
- Spark of Revolution is released! Yay! Tokens and promos come with it.
- Prime has been added. Keep in mind that due to the alternate colors, this set is not legal in MSE Modern.
- Time Hop has been mostly revamped, so it is suggested that you verify your cards do what you want them to.
- Same thing happened with Mercadian Tides.
- Preasti has been released and added. It has some tokens, too.

Format Changes:
- Spark of Revolution and Preasti are legal in MSE Modern (as is Champions of Y'Gra if the gold border confused you before).

Tokens and Stuff:
- Promos that exist within sets are now sorted into their original set, with the numbering "P1", "P2," etc.
- Everything that generates tokens now generates tokens if able. Everything that enters the battlefield tapped now does so.
- Temporal Dawn now has tokens! Promos for Temporal Dawn are added.
- You can generate random decks in each of the 10 color pairs. You'll be given 24 lands, 6 of which will be duals and 9 will be in each of your colors. Each color had 14 cards, with 6 cards of the dual color and 2 artifacts.

Aethetic Changes:
- Tokens are actually the correct size now.
- DDWVR's token is corrected. (It's actually a 1/1 token)
- DDGVM actually has its token now.
- Split cards aren't dumb!
- SoI cards no longer are tokens.

Pack Changes:
- Packs from sets with basic lands or cards in the basic land slot now have those cards instead of 11 commons. Sets like TD that lack basic lands continue to have 11 commons.

Card Changes:
Government vs Mercenaries:
Chill to the Bone is renamed to Chill Touch due to matching Coldsnap's Chill to the Bone.
Yes, Azorius Swordbreaker DOES have a P/T. It's supposed to be a 2/1 (if it was something else before, it's a 2/1 now)

Thu, 2016-02-25 07:59
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What's Prime?

My Hub
I really hate Mythic Rares...
TRUE WEEB ANIME OR NO ANIME AT ALL
NO TOLERANCE FOR WIMPY FALSE ANIME
School Days taught me everything I need to know about relationships

Thu, 2016-02-25 10:55
Guitarweeps
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Data dump huh? lol

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Thu, 2016-02-25 11:20
voltaic-qui
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I think Kiku is J O K I N G.

Quote:
The Time Hop changes are in, but not for the images, apparently.

Wiiiiiiiind???

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Thu, 2016-02-25 11:21
voltaic-qui
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Also, shit, I didn't send you the not-gross-looking Dabriohm file. Sorry.

formerly jacquipup

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Thu, 2016-02-25 12:51
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Apparently, it's because it was deemed too small to play it on its own, but the cards aren't Un-Cards, so, there's that.

Thu, 2016-02-25 15:30
WindyDelcarlo
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Is CUW not? I don't remember the conversation about that

Okay, try the update again. I promise, the images are in the set file this time. You saw nothing; This never happened.

Thu, 2016-02-25 16:37
ThisisSakon
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Is Library still not in the plugin? I'm a sad :'(

Thu, 2016-02-25 17:30
WindyDelcarlo
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Dang it, i knew I was forgetting things. I'll do that right when I get home so I don't forget again

Fri, 2016-02-26 03:58
voltaic-qui
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Hey, I should send you Dabriohm too!! Though full disclosure, set has no tokens.

formerly jacquipup

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Fri, 2016-02-26 04:53
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Arina Control wrote:
4x Arina, Volarian Explorer
1x Moggo Infidel

4x Conceptualize
2x Entelan Erasure
3x Opt
4x Deform Sanity
2x Spellbane's Strike
3x Pernicious Looting
3x Cryptify
4x Deny the Trinity
3x Stormcaster's Rebuttal
1x Disrupt Phasesteel
2x Shadow Sky

4x Moonshadow Abyss
4x Depths of Time
3x Marsh FLats
4x Scalding Tarn
2x Island
2x Swamp
4x Flooded Morass
1x West Takheim University

Here's a decklist. I'm missing a powerful win con short of Arina herself.

Fri, 2016-02-26 05:18
ThisisSakon
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Seronia could do. I'm assuming this deck is Blue mana symbol and likes cards

Fri, 2016-02-26 06:27
WindyDelcarlo
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What set is Seronia?

Fri, 2016-02-26 06:33
ThisisSakon
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The one you keep forgetting, lol

She's from Library.

Fri, 2016-02-26 06:38
WindyDelcarlo
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Oh, right, her. (By the way, that set doesn't have sphinx tokens )
Don't worry! It's ready for when the next update happens!

Sat, 2016-02-27 16:29
WindyDelcarlo
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So, there's something wrong with Volaria (the set; Repel and Storm are doing fine) that isn't getting solved by re-exporting the images. I'll probably look through that and release an interim update to correct Volaria.

EDIT: So, Here's the correct folder and allcards file. To make it function, replace the allcards file in the plugin (\plugins\custommagic\sets\allcards.txt) with this one, and do the same with the VEB images file (\plugins\custommagic\sets\setimages\VEB)

EDITEDIT: Okay, it works for real now

Changelog, February 27, 2016 wrote:
Interim Update - February 27, 2016

An allcards and setimage update for Volaria.

Set Changes:
- Volaria had an issue with card numbering. It no longer has an issue with card numbering, but now is reordered to be sorted by color pairs.

Stuff:
- Cards from SoR and probably PRI have a typeline separator now.

Thu, 2016-03-17 20:46
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Yo, since we were talking about adding Ziltrem (85 cards) to MSE Modern, and pretty much the only reason I Can't Understand Who's Talking is not legal in MSE Modern is that it's 89 cards, I think we ought to make it legal, too.

Thu, 2016-03-17 20:55
WindyDelcarlo
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I didn't even intend to illegalify CUW

Thu, 2016-03-17 20:56
Neottolemo
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Yeah, I know. So, does anybody have a problem with changing that?

Fri, 2016-03-18 03:18
voltaic-qui
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I don't have a problem with that but I would like to get some art for the set since we would be updating the borders.

I'm a lot more picky than Wind when it comes to adding sets is the general gist of things.

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Fri, 2016-03-18 04:02
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I'm working on a full-art Ziltrem set file, so art for cards shouldn't be an issue if you guys want the set in.

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Fri, 2016-03-18 04:09
WindyDelcarlo
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What other sets were we adding to the plugin this update?

Fri, 2016-03-18 08:01
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The Lost Tales probably won't come out until next next update (whatever creature type D is)

Also please somebody finally notice Library of Eons. It's sad and lonely

Fri, 2016-03-18 14:36
WindyDelcarlo
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It's in the file this time, don't worry

Fri, 2016-03-18 14:48
voltaic-qui
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Dabriohm should finally be in the file.

formerly jacquipup

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Fri, 2016-03-18 15:09
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Frystaria should be out sometime next week so I hope that'll be peer reviewed into modern ;P

On that topic id like to discuss how to fix this issue of "what goes into MSE modern". I suggest a peer review processes, like how science does it. You finish your set and make a thread for it in the lackey section, stating what format you'd like it to be for, and your peers grade it. I would say we should do something like if four people say yea it's in, cause I dunno how many people would peer review. This could also be a great way to get good feedback to grow as a designer, and early analysis for how the format may change. If something is denied, the designer may change it and re submit it later, stating the changes and responding to past criticisms.

If the four person rule isn't good we could just say "general positive feedback." I guess wind can determine what that would be. It's easier on him than doing the entire review process completely by himself, like he's doing now. Any opinions?

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Fri, 2016-03-18 18:06
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@jacqui: Neat. I'll start looking for more art for CUW, then. It doesn't matter if it doesn't get immediatly into next update anywsy.

I have no strong feelings one way or another about Marzen's feedback system. Weren't you doing something similar with isaactheawesome's sets?

Fri, 2016-03-18 19:34
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Jacqui's been the one looking into most of the sets anyways. I just end up putting them into code because, right now especially, there's a lot of sets coming out I've been trying to watch but it's rather difficult when each spoiler puts up 6-8 cards and a long amount of reading

Sat, 2016-03-19 12:02
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Peer review seems like a good idea but is a lot of work to truly implement especially with all the sets that are released constantly. NOt sure if it is realistic.

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Sat, 2016-03-19 15:44
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Windy wrote:
I've been trying to watch but it's rather difficult when each spoiler puts up 6-8 cards and a long amount of reading

As a wise sociopathic llama once said, I will not apologize for art. Stick out your tongue

Fri, 2016-03-25 13:20
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New set file for I Can't Understand Who's Talking. Doubtful Cavalier is now a Knight as it was meant to be. Lend an Ear, Final Moments, New on the Team, Call It a Comeback, Crazy Plan, Disassemble the Legion, Lethal Advokist, Speak of the Demon, Tribute to Incompetence, Battle Robes, Cocked Hat and Luciano, Vampiric Gardener are all still missing art. Any idea how to fix that? Or is the set file fine as it is now?
EDIT-Sorry, this is the correct set file. Previous one was missing artist credit on Darkwood Killer.

EDIT-On a different topic: I haven't played in the format for some time now, but I've made two decklists and I wanted to know what you thought of it.

Zola's Zipline wrote:
4 Zola, Explorer of the Dreamscape
3 Undiscovered Basin
3 Undiscovered Grasslands
2 Zipline Strike
2 Emrakul, Eternity's End
3 Aleryn, Trapseeker
4 Banishing Light
3 Armor of Acres
3 Forefather of the Woods
3 Sprareos Yearling
3 Guum Hunting Grounds
3 Fairgold, Market of the Masses
3 Lava-Peaked Mesa
3 Skaal Village
3 Tel Mythrin
3 Vondarian Range
3 Rising Fire
3 Pinnacle Trap
3 Valien Daya
3 Nehiri, Tender of the Grove

The name is purely for allitteration, this is mostly a ramp deck with Emrakul, lands matter cards, and a couple X spells. Zola (probably my favourite card in MSE Modern) not only helps you ramp, but also works well as a card draw engine because there's lots of useful lands matter cards and useful lands in there, some of which work well with each other (the creature land, or the token making land, with the lands which boost creatures, for example). Valien and Nehiri work well with Emrakul or with buffed-up lands/lands matter cards. The Zipline-Emrakul combo Sakon made is in the deck, but is not its centerpiece.

Top Of Your Library Emrakul wrote:
2 Altar of Scriptures
4 Conceptualize
2 Madjinil Szonmi, Trinity's Apex
4 Animara's Gambit
4 Emrakul, Eternity's End
4 Zola, Explorer of the Dreamscape
2 Syncopate
2 Rapid Denial
2 Repress
2 Duel of Intellect
4 Constant Static
2 Lavaspill
4 Radiant Flames
2 Retaliating Stroke
2 Magespite Bolt
2 Agorn Obtarion
4 Lerina Academy
4 Renilia Forest
4 Sea of Filani
2 Cliffshard Coast Temple
2 Reflective Gorge
Sideboard:
3 Deny the Trinity
3 Waterlog
3 Cast Aside
4 Lightning Twins
2 Mastery of Fire

Basically focused on getting Emrakul on top of your library so you can fire it off with Animara's Gambit or Agorn Obtarion. Conceptualize helps you put your Emrakul on top of your library if you accidentally end up drawing it. Madjinil does something similar at a higher cost, but can also fire off the cheaper spells in the deck for free, or work as temporary removal. The rest of the deck is supposed to be control counterburn-ish, but I really can't play or build that that well. Of course, Zola, other than drawing you cards, might actually make ramping possible in this deck, too.

Fri, 2016-03-25 13:42
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I like the concepts of both but I don't have time to look up all the pieces at the moment. Very cool though! Let's hope that Eldrazi don't overwhelm too much lol.

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Fri, 2016-03-25 14:47
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Eeee, someone's favorite card is one of mine? Big smile I was worried I didn't see anyone playing any of my legendaries, so I felt I failed. That makes me very happy.

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Fri, 2016-03-25 15:08
WindyDelcarlo
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I see Animara's Gambit ("Ooh, Animara's Gambit") followed by Emrakul ("Oh! Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh.")

Fri, 2016-03-25 20:21
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There's a 2 drop creature in Mirrodin Besieged that fetches you a basic when it dies. I was messing around with the zipline deck, and having that would be extremely helpful in applying early game pressure.

Fri, 2016-03-25 22:09
voltaic-qui
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I'd be willing to draw Luciano if you gave me a reference.

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Fri, 2016-03-25 22:35
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@Sakon - sounds like a good card for Ashura set 2....

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Fri, 2016-03-25 22:42
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Viridian Emissary? Have fun fitting that flavor in Ashura

Sat, 2016-03-26 02:47
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Functional silly...

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Sun, 2016-04-03 11:17
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jacqui-pup wrote:
I'd be willing to draw Luciano if you gave me a reference.

Alright, thanks a lot! First Dreamself image, Dreamself image as Luciano Cearlbriaeh (his current self and the one you should probably draw him as), drawing I made of him referencing from the second image (he's the one in the foreground, other guy is Evil Ghum.) You should probably change the clothes. Think Balustrade Spy, Blood Host, Bloodline Keeper, and Stromkirk Noble for what concerns the style. He's supposed to be kind of tan for a vampire. For the background you can go crazy with the weirdest plants you can imagine.

Sat, 2016-04-16 15:10
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Regarding CUW getting in MSE Modern:

Neottolemo wrote:
Alright, I've managed to find pictures for all cards, so I'm releasing the set file complete with all cards with art now! I had to change "his" to "her" in Lend an Ear's flavour text because I made the Darkwood Killer female, though.
Set file

Sat, 2016-04-16 15:52
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Given the recent patch to Impulse, I think Ziltrem's ready to be included if you guys are okay with it.

Here's the set file, with the original thread for reference.

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Mon, 2016-04-18 13:17
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Actually, I'm jump onto that train: Here's Pyramids of Atuum's full set file. If you consider one card to be problematic/unbalanced or similar - just let me know and I'll take a look at it A happy smile